For those of you who have forgotten how good 'The Big Muzungu', Craig Mottram was, have a look at the 5000m Commonwealth Games final in Melbourne. I was there , along with 90 000 other Aussies
For those of you who have forgotten how good 'The Big Muzungu', Craig Mottram was, have a look at the 5000m Commonwealth Games final in Melbourne. I was there , along with 90 000 other Aussies
I can barely notice Mo Farah....haha
i don't know how anybody can watch these videos and think any athlete is clean. because they weren't. Mottram HAD to have been doped to the lungs.
Geelong runner wrote:
For those of you who have forgotten how good 'The Big Muzungu', Craig Mottram was, have a look at the 5000m Commonwealth Games final in Melbourne. I was there , along with 90 000 other Aussies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xldWJcBMLDk
Thanks for the reminder and the inspirational video!
Mottram at 6'2" 163lbs...
Looks like he is 6'6" 215lbs next to those Kenyans...
stuff you like to pee out wrote:
i don't know how anybody can watch these videos and think any athlete is clean. because they weren't. Mottram HAD to have been doped to the lungs.
Everyone know that any athlete mentioned on LRC has mutated and dropped the lungs for a much more efficient set of gills.
stuff you like to pee out wrote:
i don't know how anybody can watch these videos and think any athlete is clean. because they weren't. Mottram HAD to have been doped to the lungs.
TO THE GILLS!!!
TO THE GILLS!!!!! wrote:
stuff you like to pee out wrote:i don't know how anybody can watch these videos and think any athlete is clean. because they weren't. Mottram HAD to have been doped to the lungs.
TO THE GILLS!!!
Exactly what I was thinking. There's only one way to dope and it's to the GILLS.
The Aussie measure of success is always the same, a valiant effort but inevitable defeat.
8:03 two mile in the U.S.
How many times did Webb and Mottram race each other? I always thought they were very similar runners. I wish they had competed against each other more often.
Ow snap! wrote:
I can barely notice Mo Farah....haha
Pretty amazing right. 9th place.
5000 m    20 March
1 Augustine Choge (KEN) 12:56.41
2 Craig Mottram (AUS) 12:58.19
3 Benjamin Limo (KEN) 13:05.30
4 Joseph Ebuya (KEN) 13:05.89
5 Fabiano Joseph Naasi (TAN) 13:12.76
6 Damian Paul Chopa (TAN) 13:24.03
7 Moses Kipsiro (UGA) 13:25.06
8 Dickson Marwa Mkami (TAN) 13:26.43
9 Mohamed Farah (GBR) 13:40.53
10 Tonny Wamulwa (ZAM) 13:40.78
11 Boy Soke (RSA) 13:45.10
12 Chris Davies (GBR) 13:48.24
13 Reid Coolsaet (CAN) 14:05.32
14 Tshamano Setone (RSA) 14:08.21
15 Cleveland Forde (GUY) 14:11.82
16 Mike Tebulo (MAW) 14:34.34
17 Alexandros Kalogerogiannis (CYP) 14:40.06
18 Louis Rowan (AUS) 14:40.07
19 Sapolai Yao (PNG) 15:29.80
The question I have for people is how come there are so many African runners who are great at 19 but then worse at 25? It makes no sense to me. Choge was doing that at 19 but now is so-so 10 years later.
Sure German Fernandez exists for us but it's rare for US men to be no better at 25 than 19.
stuff you like to pee out wrote:
i don't know how anybody can watch these videos and think any athlete is clean. because they weren't. Mottram HAD to have been doped to the lungs.
What about the video makes you think "doped?" I hate posts that just say "Doped" but provide zero info to back it up. I think EPO was a lot easier to od then than now due to no Biological passport but nothing about the video seemed weird to me.
fred wrote:
8:03 two mile in the U.S.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esIV_UBEAaw
Mottram's interview after the race is a great one. Nothing but confidence.
Typical Aussie victory: odd distance, early season, weakest diamond league meet and ended season with a valiant, but out of the medals 4th place at worlds.
rojo wrote:
The question I have for people is how come there are so many African runners who are great at 19 but then worse at 25? It makes no sense to me. Choge was doing that at 19 but now is so-so 10 years later.
I suspect two reasons: 1) African runners basically run to get paid. Once they start making money their motivation wanes. They might keep running but just to keep the $ rolling in, not to win medals or set records. You see this with NBA players too, high school superstars who's goal is to make it to the NBA and get paid, not win championships. Stephon Marbury comes to mind.
2) the brutal "natural selection" mode of throwing tons of talent into tough, hard training early. Hundreds turn out for these Kenyan training camps. Only a few have the talent to survive, but even they flatline after a few years. Imagine how long Mo Farah would have lasted fighting off dozens of younger, hungrier Mo Farahs every day in practice.
That's a decent race, but its got nothing on the 2003 World Championship 5k.
And I know they were all doped. Dopers racing dopers is still racing.
Why isn't Paris 2012 much better?
Not even top 5 of the greatest ever mens 5000m championship races.
The Cuban Horse wrote:
Why isn't Paris 2012 much better?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAEtHwH-Phc
Not a championship race.
fred wrote:
8:03 two mile in the U.S.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esIV_UBEAaw
Teg could really close those days, he would just be a little bit too far out of reach.