I don't know what they jumped before NCAA's. Maybe they wouldn't have had one of the top 16 marks in D1 beforehand. I think someone said the woman in the mile ran a big PR. So it's possible they may not have hit one of those marks before nationals.
I don't know what they jumped before NCAA's. Maybe they wouldn't have had one of the top 16 marks in D1 beforehand. I think someone said the woman in the mile ran a big PR. So it's possible they may not have hit one of those marks before nationals.
So I just looked up what Luke Widner's seed was for D3 Nationals. He had vaulted 5.40m. The last qualifier for D1 had a seed of 5.42m. Widner couldn't have even gotten into the meet.
Kaela had the speed for a championship race,but has only run 4:32: 1 Purrier, Elinor SO-2 New Hampshire 4:29.71 David Hemery Valentine Invitational 02/12/16 02/13/16 2 Edwards, Kaela SO-2 Oklahoma State 4:32.14 Razorback Invitational 01/29/16 01/30/16 3 Keklak, Andrea SR-4 Georgetown 4:33.24
tj wrote:
ck3237 wrote:How about that D1 mile. Some people got lucky.
No, not really. It was a typical championship race - Kaela Edwards had already run a 4.28-4.29 mile indoors, and has a 2.02 800 to her name...Kaela Edwards is a stud. She is far better than the D2 girl. Watch out for Edwards this summer!
Emily Oren ran a 4:42.34 mile and would not have qualified for the D1 meet. Last accepted entry was 4:37.80
Sedeekie Edie qualified with a 7.59m jump. The last accepted D1 entry was 7.73m so he wouldn't have made it.
Details matter wrote:
So I just looked up what Luke Widner's seed was for D3 Nationals. He had vaulted 5.40m. The last qualifier for D1 had a seed of 5.42m. Widner couldn't have even gotten into the meet.
Also worth noting that a top d3 PVer doesn't have to play the cm guessing game for what mark makes it to the meet.
Same goes for at the national meet. 552 was a meet record, but not part of the progression for D1. Can't know who would have won head to head, but it is an interesting stat for fans of D3.
Details matter wrote:
Emily Oren ran a 4:42.34 mile and would not have qualified for the D1 meet. Last accepted entry was 4:37.80
Sedeekie Edie qualified with a 7.59m jump. The last accepted D1 entry was 7.73m so he wouldn't have made it.
Keep in mind that Oren also knew what she had to do to qualify for the D2 NCAA meet. If she needed to find a race to qualify for the D1 meet, I'm guessing she would have been in one.
If you watch the video here (skip to 7:22:20 for the start of the race),
http://www.ncaa.com/video/trackfield-indoor-women/2016-03-12/dii-indoor-track-field-championship-day-two-full-replay, Oren looks pretty comfortable and possibly could have run 3-4 seconds faster if she really needed to. She had a 3K to race less than 90 min following.
Her and Edwards are without a doubt each great athletes. Both ran at USATF Championships last summer and each should be at the Trials this summer.
Winder's dad is the vault coach at NCC. Luke has been coached by him since he was a little kid. All of his brothers went through NCC and won multiple championships. Luke is the most talented of the whole family.
I wouldn't be surprised if he challenges 19' outdoors in the correct conditions.
400IH wrote:
Winder's dad is the vault coach at NCC. Luke has been coached by him since he was a little kid. All of his brothers went through NCC and won multiple championships. Luke is the most talented of the whole family.
I wouldn't be surprised if he challenges 19' outdoors in the correct conditions.
That would be exciting. American vault has really been on the rise again in the last few years. We have a handful of young (22 to 24) year old vaulters of both genders that are in the 5.80/4.90 meter range already this year. It hasn't been since the 90s through early 2000s that we have had that much depth in American vault.
I think we can expect at least a few of these youngsters to become serious threats for olympic/worlds gold over the next few years, even maybe this year.
Bahrain Damage wrote:
Kaela had the speed for a championship race,but has only run 4:32:
1 Purrier, Elinor SO-2 New Hampshire 4:29.71 David Hemery Valentine Invitational 02/12/16 02/13/16
2 Edwards, Kaela SO-2 Oklahoma State 4:32.14 Razorback Invitational 01/29/16 01/30/16
3 Keklak, Andrea SR-4 Georgetown 4:33.24
tj wrote:No, not really. It was a typical championship race - Kaela Edwards had already run a 4.28-4.29 mile indoors, and has a 2.02 800 to her name...Kaela Edwards is a stud. She is far better than the D2 girl. Watch out for Edwards this summer!
My bad - I'm sure I read Kaela Edwards had a sub 4.30 this indoor season. Either I got confused by the Purrier race, or she split a sub 4.30 mile in the DMR?
In any case, I think watch out for her - she has a solid base from X-country, and incredible 800 speed with a 2.02 to her name. She's already run close to 9 minutes indoors for the 3,000, though she is speed-based. So, she has world-class speed for the 1500 (she's in the perfect speed range), and she now has the endurance too. She'll be the one to beat Outdoors, and her 1500m best is going to get smashed. I'm predicting around a 4.10 (1500m) easily. Possibly sub, pending if she's pushed. Next season, should she stay healthy, will be even more interesting.
Here's an article I found about Luke Winder and the family.
vaultamatic wrote:
You see this with vault more so than any other event. I think it is because vaulters can be the most obsessive over their sport out of the entire track team. No other athletes spend that much time watching technique on youtube, obsessing over equipment, doing weird gymnastic things that would seem to have only oblique similarity to the event, etc.
As a result, they'll go to a school specifically for a coach with a reputation, more so than any other event group. You tend to have more of the top vault-only coaches down in D3 and NAIA schools (obviously not suggesting there are no great vault coaches in D1, there are definitely a half dozen DI vault coaches I would consider to be great). This is because of the pressures of coaching D1 are much different, so they generally won't hire a coach who only coaches the vault, most DI programs also want them to be a multis coach, or HJ coach, etc. This drives some of the best vault coaches into only club coaching or coaching at lower divisions where they are more likely to be left alone to do their thing. It would be like if you could be a distance coach only if you also coached the triple jump. A lot of distance coaches wouldn't be willing to do that.
In fact, there are probably as many great vault coaches at JUCOs as there are in DI, for this same reason.
Good post, I would also add D1 programs seem less likely to give any scholarship money to athletes that just vault, particularly on the men's side, and if they do it's a pittance (books only etc). They're going to spend their 12.5 scholarships on athletes that can bring in points in multiple events which usually means distance runners that can run cross or sprinters or hurdlers that can run a relay or two or jump. Even over the last few years with guys like Kendricks or Barber the D1 men's vault dropped off pretty quickly. When a vaulter does come along with some speed to compete in an open event or relay then they want to turn them into a decathlete. In my opinion that's why the men's vault is kind of soft in D1. The women's vault isn't as bad off (more scholarships and no pole vault in the heptathlon). I think this plays no small part why the US is much stronger in the women's vault than men's these days.
Not just because it sounds annoying?
Why would you call them baby nationals unless it was for younger runners it does not nake any sense and it surely demeaning to the athletes.