800 meter training partner

The 800 is the event where you least want a training partner. The "new style" for records and wins in the "double quarter" is frontrunning, which is best trained by practicing alone.

sub-elite couch wrote:

The 800 is the event where you least want a training partner. The "new style" for records and wins in the "double quarter" is frontrunning, which is best trained by practicing alone.

... is the stupidest thing ever said.

crete wrote:

sub-elite couch wrote:

The 800 is the event where you least want a training partner. The "new style" for records and wins in the "double quarter" is frontrunning, which is best trained by practicing alone.

... is the stupidest thing ever said.

Mr Rudisha and Dr Symmonds would disagree.

sub-elite couch wrote:

crete wrote:

... is the stupidest thing ever said.

Mr Rudisha and Dr Symmonds would disagree.

Incorrect. They have training groups.

sub-elite couch wrote:

The 800 is the event where you least want a training partner. The "new style" for records and wins in the "double quarter" is frontrunning, which is best trained by practicing alone.

I'd argue the opposite. I find it much easier to roll through a tempo or some repeat miles solo, than to run 3x400 @800 pace, or 10x200 quick without someone else there.

double quarter pounder wrote:

sub-elite couch wrote:

The 800 is the event where you least want a training partner. The "new style" for records and wins in the "double quarter" is frontrunning, which is best trained by practicing alone.

I'd argue the opposite. I find it much easier to roll through a tempo or some repeat miles solo, than to run 3x400 @800 pace, or 10x200 quick without someone else there.

yup.

This sub-elite couch guy is posting ridiculous things in lots of threads. Either he's a plain troll or he's never actually trained&raced.

But I train alone, is that okay?

It's hard training alone. Trying to run 24 second 200s and 55 second 400s alone is almost impossible without someone to help you

150halfmiler wrote:

It's hard training alone. Trying to run 24 second 200s and 55 second 400s alone is almost impossible without someone to help you

Those tough special endurance workouts are even worse. 500 30 sec 300 both at about 800 pace and other variations of this type of workout are so tough to do without someone to run with.

I'd love to train with you man, unfortunately I live on the east coast.

crete wrote:

sub-elite couch wrote:

Mr Rudisha and Dr Symmonds would disagree.

Incorrect. They have training groups.

Define "group."

sub-elite couch wrote:

crete wrote:

Incorrect. They have training groups.

Define "group."

In this context, what he means by group is "people with whom they run workouts on a daily basis."

I disagree with people above that say that the 800 is the hardest event to train for by yourself. I think it depends on the person. For me, 800m workouts are way easier to mentally push by myself than longer/slower stuff.

But I do think that any workout is easier with a training partner or partners. In college I didn't think twice about the fact that I had training partners. Now I do 90% of my workouts alone. I've managed to run PRs over my college times, but the daily grind at the track can get pretty frustrating since I'm out there dodging joggers in lane one all by myself. I wish I had a training partner too, but work schedule combined with coaching makes that pretty much impossible, so I have to settle for a workout with somebody else only a few times a month.

jp800 wrote:

150halfmiler wrote:

It's hard training alone. Trying to run 24 second 200s and 55 second 400s alone is almost impossible without someone to help you

Those tough special endurance workouts are even worse. 500 30 sec 300 both at about 800 pace and other variations of this type of workout are so tough to do without someone to run with.

I'd love to train with you man, unfortunately I live on the east coast.

You are faster than me, but I hear you.

It is one thing to do a hard tempo alone or even go to the track and put down some hard 1k repeats, but doing 800m special endurance type work alone is really hard.

On top of the sheer raw difficulty of blasting out a workout like you describe solo, there is the weirdness of spending minutes bent over from nearly killing yourself while senior citizens are walking laps on the indoor track at the same time. Not many people literally puke during public hours at my local fieldhouse. 10 minutes of pain, 20 minutes of self-consciousness. But I'm getting over it.

runnerdnerd wrote:

sub-elite couch wrote:

Define "group."

In this context, what he means by group is "people with whom they run workouts on a daily basis."

Then Mr Rudisha and Dr Symmonds do not have "groups."

sub-elite couch wrote:

runnerdnerd wrote:

In this context, what he means by group is "people with whom they run workouts on a daily basis."

Then Mr Rudisha and Dr Symmonds do not have "groups."

sooooo would Brooks Beasts TEAM that Symmonds works out with everyday not be considered a team?