I've never heard such a pathetic response. Should football and baseball teams all have the same name, color, and names on them?
I've never heard such a pathetic response. Should football and baseball teams all have the same name, color, and names on them?
megaranation wrote:
Primo Numero Uno wrote:Agreed completely different situation and I don't have a problem with Diego choosing to represent Mexico. I do take issue with how he handled the decision. He had said he would not represent Mexico regardless because he considered himself and American and only wanted to represent America. But then changed course when it was clear he was unlikely to make the US team. I can understand his ties to Mexico and if he had just said from the start he identified with both countries and wold represent whichever he could at the games I think there's no controversy.
What Pappas is doing although within the rules is a disrespectful to both the US and Greece. And I hope Chris's comments to Dunbar were tongue and cheek. Comparing Dunbar transferring to what Pappas is doing is moronic apple's to oranges.
Nationality is a pathetic human construct. The idea that people should engage in an us vs. them mentality, whether it be at the school spirit level, racial level, or nation level, is a manifestation of our species's outdated tribal structure.
The world would be a much better place if we could just give up this unfortunate genetic programming. The rise of communication and transport technology renders the existential need for tribalism moot.
I too would like to live in your imaginary world where no cared about nationality, religion, ethnicity, or any thing else. Every night we can eat magnificent food and drink delicious wine and vote for Bernie?
T&F Nut wrote:
I've never heard such a pathetic response. Should football and baseball teams all have the same name, color, and names on them?
Sports like football and baseball are peaceful ways we express tribal identity, especially in regional means, as with professional leagues, or in international means, as with the Olympics. Unfortunately, more violent methods of expression include war and genocide.
If it weren't in our DNA to maintain tribal societies, athletic competition might not exist in the same way it does today. Perhaps it would be more individualistic. Or perhaps we'd abandon competition altogether and find some other way to maximize our inclusive fitness. It sounds dystopic and unrealistic to us, but remember, that's because we're genetically programmed to embrace the societal model which worked so well for us in our evolutionary past.
Anyways, it's not as if we can suddenly alter the DNA of 7 billion humans. Just a fun thought experiment.
I personally feel that we'd be much better off as a species if we could abandon our more archaic constructs, but agree that it's certainly in-feasible to self-administer the change. Perhaps natural selection will do this work...
applyorange wrote:
Greg wrote:Vernon Adams had finished his undergraduate degree at EWU and then went to Oregon. Dunbar transferred before finishing his undergrad. Different situation
You're being cute, but technically I think you're wrong. Adams couldn't even train with Oregon until the season began because HE HADN'T finished all of his courses when he began his transfer process. Not that it matters because you certainly understand the difference between these situations and Alexi's. Also, I don't think the EWU players felt it was all hunky dory with his undergrad being done and all. He had more eligibility for EWU and they punished him for it. Cheap shotted him in that game and broke his finger, which cost him the middle of his season, a shot at being a Heisman candidate, Oregons shot at a national champhionship and could have cost him a chance at the NFL, though it's looking good for him now.
But imagine if he would have gone to Oregon for the season to play and then returned to EWU to graduate. Funny how that isn't allowed, but yet it's more similar to what Pappas is doing.
Well db bar none, Olympic great JB Samuelson did just that. Went to Bowdoin for a couple years. Transferred to NC State to train with the Shea sisters and run some big time NCAA competion and then back to Bowdoin to finish up and graduate.
No one made a federal case out of it.
Also, my apologies for going off topic. Derrick is hilarious. I hope Dunbar takes it in good spirit, and I highly doubt the two are adversaries. Stanford-Oregon rivalry isn't intense enough.
megaranation wrote:
Also, my apologies for going off topic. Derrick is hilarious. I hope Dunbar takes it in good spirit, and I highly doubt the two are adversaries. Stanford-Oregon rivalry isn't intense enough.
No doubt they are having a good laugh over this thread.
According to Jim Estes she must now sit out of all US championships for 2 years. That was about 80% of her income over the past 2 years. I think she is making a huge sacrifice. It is not like she can turn around and jump into the New Haven 20k or CVS Providence 5k or the 12k in Alexandria.
Trust me there are no financial opportunities in Greece and no money to be made by a 32 minute 10k runner on the track.
Enjoy Rio.
Jordan turned down an offer to run for the UK in the 10,000 meters in 2016. Her mother is a native of England.
Hasay is a real American!
Trevor can't choose to run for Russia, just because they used to own Alaska, but at any rate, he said that loyalty means that you tough it out even if the competition is tougher--in transferring to Oregon, he made his competition much, much harder. So, that aspect is not analogous to transferring to a weaker squad where you're guaranteed to be on the travelling team. Transferring from one university to another is not analogous to transferring from one country to another. We are not citizens of universities. Derrick's wrong. Dunbar's done nothing but seek tougher competition.
So Alexi has to subscribe to your particular beliefs on nationality? She isn't hurting anyone. Or maybe it will make people upset. F*** em anyway.
I mean, she isn't trading secrets. It's sports. It's for fun.
Grapefruit are not oranges wrote:
Yep! Sooooo funny.... I'd be so embarrassed if I was Dunbar haha
EAT MEAT wrote:Chris is 100% correct. People tend to have one set of standards for others but not the same for themselves.
I agree it's not the same, but here the provincial runners show their ugly heads again. Again I say, you jealous jocks whine about insignificant crap while blind to the blood money and corruption of the Olympics. You are thieves in your own temple of running and Americana! Blind to bigger priorities. No amount of your easy prefab false medicine of watching cliche television, or the echo chamber of social media broad road ignorance, will rescue you into virtue and salvation. Yours is a long road. Those who cultivate this road will return to running with greater treasure.
Not_Without_Honor_Harrier wrote:
Grapefruit are not oranges wrote:Yep! Sooooo funny.... I'd be so embarrassed if I was Dunbar haha
I agree it's not the same, but here the provincial runners show their ugly heads again. Again I say, you jealous jocks whine about insignificant crap while blind to the blood money and corruption of the Olympics. You are thieves in your own temple of running and Americana! Blind to bigger priorities. No amount of your easy prefab false medicine of watching cliche television, or the echo chamber of social media broad road ignorance, will rescue you into virtue and salvation. Yours is a long road. Those who cultivate this road will return to running with greater treasure.
So this faulty reasoning from Derrick is what one gets with a Stanford education? What a joke.
Transfers of students and student-athletes between colleges is both a normal and not unusual occurrence and there are very few restrictions. Usually transfers are related to individual's pre-existing interests in academics and/or sports. Citizenship is highly controlled and with very limited access, proscribed to a select group. Citizenship is not an elective action, while transfers between colleges are.
Pappas demonstrated no pre-existing interest in Greece, and purely made the decision to "to action to get" Greek citizenship very recently in order to select minimum/no competition to make a national Olympic team.
Not all all comparable to Dunbar.
applyorange wrote:
douchelin^3 wrote:Same situation.
not even close. when I was little, I played some games on the playground. if I was on the team that kept losing, I'd find my way on the winning team...
That's because you are a LOSER. If you were a winner you would LEAD your original team to victory.
Loser
For those trying to minimize Trevor's decision, I'm going to venture that there is more competitive tension between the Portland and Oregon distance programs than those of USA and Greece. I would have to think that Rob Connor probably was not amused.
orangyapple wrote:
applyorange wrote:[quote]douchelin^3 wrote:
Same situation.
not even close. when I was little, I played some games on the playground. if I was on the team that kept losing, I'd find my way on the winning team...
That's because you are a LOSER. If you were a winner you would LEAD your original team to victory.
Loser[/quote
What a lovely little fantasy!
Hasnt he taken the tweey down now?
she's doing it for her resumee and a fun thing to do this summer. There's nothing wrong with it, i guess. She's not specifically hurting anyone or breaking rules. But it just is so deflating, like the Olympics don't mean anything, and neither does running. Makes me feel not in love with it anymore.
But I guess from a totally rational point of view, it makes sense. It's not anything anybody would watch a movie about. And it's hard to imagine watching a movie by someone who thinks this way.
jjjjj wrote:
Trevor can't choose to run for Russia, just because they used to own Alaska, but at any rate, he said that loyalty means that you tough it out even if the competition is tougher--in transferring to Oregon, he made his competition much, much harder. So, that aspect is not analogous to transferring to a weaker squad where you're guaranteed to be on the travelling team. Transferring from one university to another is not analogous to transferring from one country to another. We are not citizens of universities. Derrick's wrong. Dunbar's done nothing but seek tougher competition.
I don't think he made his competition harder by transferring to Oregon. Joining your rivals isn't the same as competing against them. U of Portland are a solid program and are competitive with U of O in some areas - they've beaten them in cross-country on a national level. How does that look to your U of P teammates, when you're all in it together trying to beat this bigger program, when all of a sudden your top runner goes off and JOINS the bigger program?