.. I just watched it again. Dejen slipped to 9th place. he gave up yards to Mo from 400m - 300m, then was impeded and chopped his stride a number of times in the final 300m.
He ran a poor tactical race. And that cost him the gold medal.
.. I just watched it again. Dejen slipped to 9th place. he gave up yards to Mo from 400m - 300m, then was impeded and chopped his stride a number of times in the final 300m.
He ran a poor tactical race. And that cost him the gold medal.
Metric Miler wrote:
mako wrote:First, 59:22 is not that fast, it's 1 minute off the WR.Then it's a bit misleading to say he ran 3:28 last season when he actually ran 3:28.93, so just dipped below 3:29.
Why do you think that the 5K and 10K are his best distances? Only because he's collecting medals there?
His times and his performances indicate that the 1500 is his best event. It makes perfect sense and I'm sure it's been mentioned many times on this forum: 1500m is his strongest distance, however the competition is too strong there. But he knows he can just rely on his 1500 ability and training, add some endurance training and that's suficient for all the championship races. Farah is a miler with some additional endurance components in his training that allow him to run 59:22 or sit for the first 4, resp. 9 k in championship races. He certainly doesn't have the ability and talent (without drugs) to get close to the current 5k and 10k world records.
Farah's competition doesn't miraculously show up at major events in 13:30 shape. A lot of them are for sure in a better shape than him, but if the race is run in 13:40, how is it helpful to be in a sub 12:50 shape? Nobody also disputes the fact that Farah is great in tactics and can position himself perfectly. Gebremeskel was better in London but lost because of bad positioning in the last lap.
This is such a gross simplification it is hilarious. Do you see Kiprop or Makhloufi running 26:46 ever? Let alone 27:01 with a 13:40 first 5k?
You really have no idea what you are talking about. There are no 1500m guys that can run 59:22.
Kiprop and Makhloufi are different type of runners, more 800/1500 types, especially Makhloufi. Farah might be an El G type. I have no doubts that El G could have run both 26:46 and 59:22 had he added enough long fast runs (in half-mar./marathon pace) into his training. His 12:50 from Ostrava in 2003 was run in very hot weather, much warmer than for example the 10K in Beijing last year (while I witnessed none of these two races in person, curiously in both occassions I was within 400km distance from the race, so have some idea about conditions) and it certainly wasn't his limit.
Yes Gebremeskel made tactical mistake in that race but how do you know he would have beaten Mo with absolute certainty ??
Mo said he would have won that Paris race had he participated in it , of course you don't believe him but I do
Now that I admitted Gebremesekl made tactical error in that race would you admit that you HATE Mo Farah with passion ??
tony the tiger wrote:
Yes Gebremeskel made tactical mistake in that race but how do you know he would have beaten Mo with absolute certainty ??
Mo said he would have won that Paris race had he participated in it , of course you don't believe him but I do ...
Tony ... Look at how far back Dejen was at the 250-300m zone. Absolute certainty? Of course. Would I bet ya a dollar? Absolutely.
Now that I admitted Gebremesekl made tactical error in that race would you admit that you HATE Mo Farah with passion ??
Now you're being ridiculous.
I don't hate Mo. I'm suspect of how a guy goes from being someone Craig Mottram could beat to someone apparently no one can beat, and doing so at a point in their career where very very few people ever see substantial improvement at all.
I don't understand why you repeatedly equate that with "hate" .... with or with "a passion".
Wtfunny wrote
Tony ... Look at how far back Dejen was at the 250-300m zone. Absolute certainty? Of course. Would I bet ya a dollar? Absolutely.
I honestly believe the race could've have gone either way both Dejen n Mo had shot @gold and Mo came up on the top .When Mo says if he had been in the Paris race he would've won I believe him which means he was in 12 40 shape 4 sure.
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I don't hate Mo. I'm suspect of how a guy goes from being someone Craig Mottram could beat to someone apparently no one can beat, and doing so at a point in their career where very very few people ever see substantial improvement at all.
I don't understand why you repeatedly equate that with "hate" .... with or with "a passion".
LOL so what you saying then ? Is Mo Farah doped 2 the gills or nah?
i'll run "theoreticals"
offer Asbel 3'26.00 for perfect race which isn't generous
offer him same time 1'41.00 - 1'42.00, which is not that generous either
then, for potential 5k fastest off 3'26.00 if able to run theoretical perfect 5k off 1500/800 training ( which is impossible ) ->
3'26.00 / 1'41.00 ->
2'10.18
4'44.81
7'28.66
13'12.81
28'27.82
3'26.00 / 1'42.00 ->
2'10.99
4'43.67
7'24.53
13'00.84
27'50.10
Asbel cannot be threat unless excruciatingly slow to bell which rupp won't allow
28 + minute 10,000?? Do you understand how skinny Kiprop is?
Skinny people just keep going and going, that's why elite distance runners are skinny. Kiprop is the skinniest miler there is, possibly the skinniest elite ever and skinnier than most elite 10,000 runners too. 28 pace is as much a jog for him as it is for them.
ventolin^3 wrote:
i'll run "theoreticals"
offer Asbel 3'26.00 for perfect race which isn't generous
offer him same time 1'41.00 - 1'42.00, which is not that generous either
then, ...
How about if you offer him off his actual PRs? Just 'cause.
tony the tiger wrote:
... When Mo says if he had been in the Paris race he would've won I believe him ...
LOL no sh!t you do.
LOL so what you saying then ? Is Mo Farah doped 2 the gills or nah?
I don't know. But I think there's probably quite a gulf between "nah" and "doped to the gills", too. He may be totally clean. Or he may not. Neither of us know.
ventolin^3 wrote:
drivel drivel drivel
So you are saying that with those 1,500m/3,000m times, Kiprop couldn't run sub 13 for 5k?
LOL
Fair enough !
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