JJ Abrams says gay characters will "of course" be included in future Star Wars movies...

Stagger Lee wrote:

thejeff wrote:

LRC is a platform. The Superbowl Halftime Show is a platform.

Homosexuality is an agenda. There is a difference.

I'm with you on these agendas. I mean, every time I watch a movie or turn on a TV show they are *cramming* heterosexuality down my throat. Like well over 90% of the characters are STRAIGHT. If it weren't for all of these corporations and religious organizations constantly pounding it into our psyche we wouldn't have all of these breeders running around. I'm so tired of this agenda.

lol, well played.

Fwiw, if it is only 90%, then the heterosexuals are under-represented.

thejeff wrote:

POTDUS wrote:

Lord Jeff, you're beginning to sound like the LRC co-founders

Homosexuality is a 'well-established platform.' It's practiced all over the world, goes on in the minds of all sorts of 'straight' people, and is commonplace among all sorts of species.

Including homosexuality in a film is not 'controversial', it's not 'a stance'. It's an accurate depiction of reality. Especially war-making reality, or realities where people have to travel far from home and have little access to women.

Abrahamic faiths (and many other cultures) make it out to be something impure. It's bigotry.

You're being a bigot. You have lots of company on these boards.

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Homosexuality is an agenda.

How does something ^ so stupid appear when you type? You teach college?

You're called a bigot, and you deny it by responding with a perfectly bigoted reply.

Wtfunny wrote:

thejeff wrote:

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Homosexuality is an agenda.

How does something ^ so stupid appear when you type? You teach college?

You're called a bigot, and you deny it by responding with a perfectly bigoted reply.

Trying to teach society that homosexual relationships are acceptable is an agenda. How I feel about that agenda would determine my level of bigotry.

PS- If "bigotry" is defined as "intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself", then both parties are equally bigoted.

PPS- I wonder if, one day, the mainstream media will push the agenda that incest, polygamy, and bestiality are "normal" on us. Because, you know, if you are against any of those, you are a bigot, right?

You are too stupid for words.

Incest and polygamy harm and has very real physical consequences

Bestiality involves a party that does not give consent

Homosexuality does not hurt anyone and everyone gives consent. Get the difference?

coach deez nuts wrote:

You are too stupid for words.

Incest and polygamy harm and has very real physical consequences

Bestiality involves a party that does not give consent

Homosexuality does not hurt anyone and everyone gives consent. Get the difference?

No need for the insults. I completely disagree with what thejeff is saying, too, but at least he's being civil about it. That's pretty darn rare here.

Unfortunately AIDS isn’t the killer it was once.

Hopefully, for those who use the human body’s main sewer pipe as a playground, a new virus will appear that will cull many more deviants.

Oh for the good old days when the practice was illegal under the law.

Of course, they got up to it in secret, but at least they couldn’t go round schools promoting the perversion as if it is part of a natural lifestyle.

thejeff wrote:

Trying to teach society that homosexual relationships are acceptable is an agenda.

a) that's not what you said.

b) the "agenda" was/is those people who have taught the (completely unsupportable) opposite of that.

How I feel about that agenda would determine my level of bigotry.

It's perfectly clear how you feel about gay people. That's your bigotry there.

PS- If "bigotry" is defined as "intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself", then both parties are equally bigoted.

Don't be foolish. Pointing out bigotry and intolerance is not bigotry or intolerant.

PPS- I wonder if, one day, the mainstream media will push the agenda that incest, polygamy, and bestiality are "normal" on us. Because, you know, if you are against any of those, you are a bigot, right?

I'm not the mainstream media. You really think gay people standing up for our own humanity and demanding the same respect and dignity you accord everyone else is simply "the mainstream media"?

This kind of deflection you're doing is impossible. I can just imagine folks like this 150 years ago talking the agenda of the mainstream media in abolishing slavery. Or 50 years ago demanding that folks of color can drink from the same water faucet of you. Women demanding the right to vote isn't about the mainstream media. And it's intellectually dishonest to pretend otherwise.

coach deez nuts wrote:

Incest and polygamy harm and has very real physical consequences

Homosexuality does not hurt anyone and everyone gives consent. Get the difference?

As someone who works in public health I can assure you that homosexuality harms as well.

The statistics are quite staggering actually. Check CDC or any reliable health related statistics. Mental health disorders are significantly higher in those who have sex with the same sex. Depression, bipolar disorder, anxiety, mood disorders etc. We see it all the time in homosexuals. Suicide, substance abuse, self harm, illegal drug use, homelessness. On & on. Not to mention higher rates of STDs.

How could anybody say that homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone? Absolutely incredible.

community support wrote:

The statistics are quite staggering actually. Check CDC or any reliable health related statistics. Mental health disorders are significantly higher in those who have sex with the same sex. Depression, bipolar disorder, anxiety, mood disorders etc. We see it all the time in homosexuals. Suicide, substance abuse, self harm, illegal drug use, homelessness. On & on. Not to mention higher rates of STDs.

How could anybody say that homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone? Absolutely incredible.

Right. I'm sure the mental heath issues are directly related the act of gay sex and have nothing to do with things like homophobic bullying, struggling to come out, and being rejected by jeebus-loving family members.

coach deez nuts wrote:

You are too stupid for words.

Incest and polygamy harm and has very real physical consequences

Bestiality involves a party that does not give consent

Homosexuality does not hurt anyone and everyone gives consent. Get the difference?

I guess you are going to have to explain to the world the "harm" and "very real physical consequences" that incest and polygamy have. Otherwise, you are a bigot for saying that. Apparently.

Thomas Jefferson's Love Child wrote:

community support wrote:

The statistics are quite staggering actually. Check CDC or any reliable health related statistics. Mental health disorders are significantly higher in those who have sex with the same sex. Depression, bipolar disorder, anxiety, mood disorders etc. We see it all the time in homosexuals. Suicide, substance abuse, self harm, illegal drug use, homelessness. On & on. Not to mention higher rates of STDs.

How could anybody say that homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone? Absolutely incredible.

Right. I'm sure the mental heath issues are directly related the act of gay sex and have nothing to do with things like homophobic bullying, struggling to come out, and being rejected by jeebus-loving family members.

Or, it could be that homosexual feelings are a bi-product of deeper psychological and mental disorders. Please don't pretend to know causation, here.

coach deez nuts wrote:

Bestiality involves a party that does not give consent

Umm... You've obviously never had a dog.

doggy style wrote:

coach deez nuts wrote:

Bestiality involves a party that does not give consent

Umm... You've obviously never had a dog.

lol, was thinking the same thing... unless he was referring to the human as the non-consenting party #getoffmyleg

thejeff wrote:

There is a historical distinction between Classical Liberalism and Modern Liberalism. Classical Liberalism is what you described above: the basic rights of citizens, black, white, male, female, to take part in their government. It was a worthy and necessary movement. Modern Liberalism, however, is a completely different animal; it is in no way comparable to women's suffrage or civil rights. It is about tyranny by the minority, moral relativism, and the Agenda that can never be satisfied. Anyone who speaks out against the Agenda is a bigot, or a racist, or a sexist, or in some way a deviant. It is an ugly turn for humanity, and it makes civil discourse nearly impossible.

Jeff, I can try to respond to some of this later. Let it be said, for now, that it speaks volumes that you think ^this stuff makes civil discourse impossible yet you don't even raise an eyelid at the post above mine that says

"Unfortunately AIDS isn’t the killer it was once. ..."

And you have the effin gall to think MY set of beliefs represent an "ugly turn for humanity"? You're so clearly perfectly OK with ^this kind of humanity, and you deign to call those who oppose it ugly. Simply because it's uncomfortable for you. Yet you're so comfortable with the above commentary it doesn't even stand out to you.

That kind of commentary is so benign to you you don't even see it. And if I said "f*** you" then I somehow become the militant, right? I become "the vocal minority" when I point to the toxic sh!t you blatantly ignore. Then your oh so polite commentary, your "civil discourse", comes to an abrupt halt because I'm being rude? You're the classic example of the "well she shouldn't have worn a short dress" juror, aren't you?

To the pr!ck above who actually made the comment, f"$& you. AIDS is very much still a killer. It kills good people. And when, Gaia forbid, some people YOU love, wonderful, caring, thoughtful, honest and generous people pass away with some equally tragic disease, I hope you'll come to grasp just how f***ed up what you just said is. I don't expect you'll even sack up and apologize, of course, but you should.

Fair points. TBH, I completely missed that post; I assume because it wasn't a response to me. Yes, that is obviously outside the realm of "civil discourse".

Re: you second to last paragraph: I think YOU AND I do fairly well at civil discourse. Out in the real world, however, the hair-trigger use of "bigot" makes civil discourse almost impossible.

community support wrote:

coach deez nuts wrote:

Incest and polygamy harm and has very real physical consequences

Homosexuality does not hurt anyone and everyone gives consent. Get the difference?

As someone who works in public health I can assure you that homosexuality harms as well.

The statistics are quite staggering actually. Check CDC or any reliable health related statistics. Mental health disorders are significantly higher in those who have sex with the same sex. Depression, bipolar disorder, anxiety, mood disorders etc. We see it all the time in homosexuals. Suicide, substance abuse, self harm, illegal drug use, homelessness. On & on. Not to mention higher rates of STDs.

How could anybody say that homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone? Absolutely incredible.

Is this a serious post? Threads like this are why homosexuals lead sh*tty lives a lot of times. If everyone would just leave them the f*ck alone they would probably be a lot happier.

thejeff wrote:

coach deez nuts wrote:

You are too stupid for words.

Incest and polygamy harm and has very real physical consequences

Bestiality involves a party that does not give consent

Homosexuality does not hurt anyone and everyone gives consent. Get the difference?

I guess you are going to have to explain to the world the "harm" and "very real physical consequences" that incest and polygamy have. Otherwise, you are a bigot for saying that. Apparently.

LOL are you f*cking kidding me? I have to lay out the physical and mental problems that come from polygamy and incest?

coach deez nuts wrote:

thejeff wrote:

I guess you are going to have to explain to the world the "harm" and "very real physical consequences" that incest and polygamy have. Otherwise, you are a bigot for saying that. Apparently.

LOL are you f*cking kidding me? I have to lay out the physical and mental problems that come from polygamy and incest?

My position is that homosexuality, polygamy, bestiality, and incest ALL create (or are the product of) physical and/or mental problems. I condemn the practice of all four.

Your position is that homosexuality is NOT related to these problems, and that only the other three are, correct? You only condemn incest, bestiality, and polygamy.

An earlier poster has already shown that homosexuality DOES in fact create physical problems.

The point is, if I can be called a bigot for speaking out against homosexuality, then you can be called a bigot for condemning incest, bestiality, and polygamy. The only difference is where you and I draw our lines of acceptance. I draw mine where nature intended us; you draw yours arbitrarily using your own moral relativism.