Driouch reportedly implicates Aden

Sorry - here is the link

http://spe15.fr/hamza-driouch-charge-jama-aden-pour-son-dopage/

Good enough, maybe?

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Hamza Driouch a été suspendu il y a un an pour des anomalies à son passeport biologique remontant à 2012, période où il était entraîné par Jama Aden, le coach de Genzebe Dibaba. L’ex Marocain devenu Qatari incrimine Jama Aden pour ce problème, alors que l’entraîneur plaide, lui, l’ignorance totale sur cette affaire.

Hamza Driouch has been suspended for one year for anomalies in his biological passport going back to 2012, a period where he was trained by Jama Aden, Genzebe Dibaba's coach. The ex-Moroccan/become Qatari (Driouch) blamed Jama Aden for this problem, although the coach has pleaded his total ignorance of this affair.

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Mon problème de dopage a commencé en 2011. A cette époque, je ne connaissais rien sur les médicaments, les vitamines. Jama Aden je lui ai donné toute ma confiance, je lui ai tout donné. Parce qu’il avait eu des athlètes qui avaient été champions olympiques, qui avaient fait des records du monde. Il a utilisé ma confiance. J’ai cru en mon entraîneur, et c’est devenu très mauvais pour moi. Ce problème de dopage ne vient pas de moi, il vient de ce coach, de Jama Aden. »

"My doping problem began in 2011. At that time, I knew nothing about medicines (supplements?), vitamins. I gave to Jama Aden all my confidence, I gave him everything. Because he had been with athlets who had been Olympic champions, who had set world records. He used my confidence. I have crossed(?) my coach and that has become very bad for me. This doping problem did not come from me; it came from this coach, from Jama Aden."

Une mise en cause très explicite mais sur laquelle il se refuse à donner plus de détails précis, se dérobant constamment pour répéter qu’il n’y connaissait rien. Tout juste peut-il expliquer qu’en 2013 et 2014, il se sentait très fatigué. Deux années durant lesquelles Hamza Driouch n’évolue en réalité plus dans le groupe de Jama Aden, mais a rejoint l’ex-entraîneur de Hicham El Guerrouj, le Marocain Abdelkader Kada, que le Qatar vient de recruter comme coach.

He refused to give any precise details, just that he knew nothing. Only just that he can explain that in 2013 and 2014 he felt very tired (he ran only 3:38 and 3:44 in those years, after having run 3:33 before).

no more details.

I didn't need Driouch's word to know that Aden is helping people dope. But if he didn't someone else would just pop up and take his place.

I think that should have been that Driouch has been suspended for a year already for this doping issue.

Thanks so much!

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Why is this not getting more attention here?

SoundXC wrote:

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Why is this not getting more attention here?

Because no one's surprised, it's just another T&F ho hum moment. Unfortunately, and I say this as someone who's been involved for 45 years, T&F is rotten to the core.

Some stuff doesn't add up:

1. He believed in Aden in 2011 because he had coached world champions and record holders. Not by 2011 he wasn't really on the map.

2. Vitamins? Do vitamins really cause a bio passport anomaly? More likely blood doping or EPO, no?

3. He placed 'full confidence' and took whatever vitamins Aden gave him. Doubt it. I doubt any athlete is that stupid in this day and age.

4. He's from Morocco and runs for Qatar. Moroccans already dope like crazy and if they're running for Qatar that just screams mercenary.

I am not claiming to know Aden's group is clean but I could totally believe Driouch doped on his own and is trying to drag them down.

unfortunately, as much as I don't trust Aden further than I could throw him, the above post is probably spot on. Drouich just wants to get off easy, so he's likely trying to toss anyone under the bus that might help him get a few months knocked off his sanction, so he can go back to training with farah (oops, myabe not now, haha) and stealing money from clean athletes. seen it before, I'm sure I'll see it again. sadly.

All I can say is false story and allegation based on bullshit, I dug deep in hamza story and to be frankly honest with you guys I don’t trust Moroccan. Hamza he is the only Moroccan origin athlete was in Jama Aden group, and once he left the group 2012 and joined coach Kada (Moroccan) until end of 2014 the problem began. Coach Kada fired from Qatar federation afterward because of this case. That’s clear signal to me about hamza doping issue. While hamza with coach kada we heard about hamza sickness with disease called thalassemia (blood disorder).l

The question is now how Aden still working in Qatar plus top of other athlete’s like G Dibaba, Suoliman, Kaki and more others . How they trust him if he Dirty??? Why only hamza been caught since he left jama.

Jama Aden coached many athletes Olympian and worlds champion Abdi Bile (Somalia), Ismail Ahmed (Sudan), Makhloufi (Algeria) ,Abu baker kaki (sudan), ayanleh souliman (Djibouti), Musab balla (Qatar),Genzeba Dibaba (Ethiopia) .

That’s my conclusion

I don't believe anything that Driouch says, he is desperate and he just wants to get off easy. Why took so long to say this? "I didn't know anything about medicine then" sounds like he knows alot it now. He is just another dirty Morrocan who get bust. Aden is one of the best coaches in the world if not the best. When you reach the top there are always people who wants to pull you down. Driouch can say whatever he wants to say but Aden is a clean coach.

Won’t be surprise wrote:

Jama Aden coached many athletes Olympian and worlds champion Abdi Bile (Somalia), Ismail Ahmed (Sudan), Makhloufi (Algeria) ,Abu baker kaki (sudan), ayanleh souliman (Djibouti), Musab balla (Qatar),Genzeba Dibaba (Ethiopia) .

That’s my conclusion

I have no idea if he is dirty but citing this data as exculpatory is probably not the way to go.

I would say that I don't trust Driouch at all. He came off in a twitter exchange after his ban as completely unrepentant and a bad guy. And I had been hopeful that he would be El Guerrouj-Two. And there is no proof at all here. On the other hand, it must be said that Aden's groups have been so incredible, particularly Dibaba, that it is too good to be true. When you have coaches all over the world with essentially the same knowledge and athletes doing essentially the same training, the outliers have to be suspect in a sport riddled with scandals at every level.

Hi Jama!

A friend of mine translated the article and here's what it says:

"Driouch reportedly implicates Aden because he knows Mo Farah, who's from UK and therefore knows Radcliffe, Coe and Cram."

Well that seals it for me. He's guilty.

Yeah I feel like the same person posted multiple times in this thread using different names. The language and spelling errors are too similar.

Fact is he got caught so he is responsible. Aden's group is shady still, just my opinion though.

I have a hard time believing a convicted doper currently serving a ban and trying to get off it.

He also doesn't allude to any sort of doping program enforced by Aden on all his athletes. Just that Aden gave him drugs without him knowing.

Anon wrote:

According to Hilary Evans' Twitter feed, which links to article in French:

#Athletics ICYMI Genzebe Dibaba's coach Jama Aden is incriminated in doping by the banned Hamza Driouch according to spe15.fr/hamza-driouch-…

Any French speakers willing to translate?

Hamza does not have much credibility, therefore Jama is not going to be implicated on his word alone. I have no idea if Jama is clean of not, but what he has accomplished with Taofik Makhloufi, Ayanleh Souleiman and Genzebe Dibaba for example would make him the greatest coach in the world.

Btw, Hamza Driouch ran a 3:50 mile, coming through the 800m in 1:51 at age 17. Absolutely incredible stuff!