"Cheaters Beware: This Guy Is on to You" - he has caught hundreds of cheats

I'm not sure whether to be proud or horrified.

This man should be labeled a national hero.

Old Man Winter wrote:

This man should be labeled a national hero.

+1

I'm waiting for a race to call itself "EZBQ": out-and- back, no timing mats.

It sounds like he lets a lot of the cheaters go as long as it does not affect one of his runners.

What I don't understand is that he doesn't actually out the cheaters he spends tons of time looking for, even after race directors ask him for information, unless the cheating affected one of his runners:

NYRR tweeted at Cane asking for more info, to which Cane responded, “With all due respect, that's what you're paid to do. Plus you’ve ignored previous cases brought to your attention.”

That is asinine. So what if it does not affect the runners he coaches. Spot a cheater and turn him or her in. It affects a lot of other people. He is no hero. He is as guilty as the cheaters if he knows about it and lets it go.

Burmese Days

Outing cheetahs is his wanking material. Makes feel important. Has a worthless job with zero responsibilities.

I have to wonder if this guy is on this site.I'd be willing to bet he knows all about Rossi, Lipton, Gemkow, Greg Price and the others we have found. We need to keep at it. Let the cheaters know that there are people out there watching.

Good on ya, Mr. Cane. Let's keep it up.

I reported one strange case to a RD once and they claimed "the runner could have done it". It had a missing timing mat and one ridiculous 5km split.

They did 22 minutes for the first 5k, followed by 18:30 minutes for the second 5k. The 18:30 section was out and back.

The RD said the runner could have done it and refused to DQ. The runner finished in 7:20 pace overall with a missing timing mat late in the race.

How many 7:20pace marathoners could do a sub 6:00 5k in the middle of a marathon! Not going to happen. Ever. I'm sure they cheated, but no one cares. It is subtle enough to fly under the radar.

So if it isn't ridiculous, the RDs won't DQ. The example above proves it.

impressed wrote:

Old Man Winter wrote:

This man should be labeled a national hero.

+1

they usually refuse to DQ wrote:

I reported one strange case to a RD once and they claimed "the runner could have done it". It had a missing timing mat and one ridiculous 5km split.

They did 22 minutes for the first 5k, followed by 18:30 minutes for the second 5k. The 18:30 section was out and back.

The RD said the runner could have done it and refused to DQ. The runner finished in 7:20 pace overall with a missing timing mat late in the race.

How many 7:20pace marathoners could do a sub 6:00 5k in the middle of a marathon! Not going to happen. Ever. I'm sure they cheated, but no one cares. It is subtle enough to fly under the radar.

So if it isn't ridiculous, the RDs won't DQ. The example above proves it.

A good friend of mine who is an RD once said to me, "As much as it is about the race, one aspect of putting on races is customer servicet". Yes, a good RD is going to look at the splits and make a good decision, especially when presented with good evidence. However, I believe, many are going to err on the side of caution due to the fact that it only takes one well connected runner to blow up social media with claims of how they were "unfairly DQd" and all that crap. Now the RDs name and race(s) are tarnished because the (usually) casual runner thought they were wronged.

not a little bizarre that he checks for cheaters and notifies the organization but refuses to tell them who it is that is cheating, unless it harms one of his athletes.

jjjjjj wrote:

not a little bizarre that he checks for cheaters and notifies the organization but refuses to tell them who it is that is cheating, unless it harms one of his athletes.

He wants the RD to take the heat.

Dont accuse wrote:

eric blair wrote:http://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/cheaters-beware-this-guy-is-on-to-you?cid=soc_Runner%27s%20World%20-%20RunnersWorld_FBPAGE_Runner%E2%80%99s%20World__News

everyone has a thing, everyone has a thing

That part in the article where he said helped disqualify someone who had a 2:10 first hslf and a 55 minute second half.... what if the running participant had to take a sh@t in the outhouse for an hour in the first half because of diareaha. Or.. they sprained their ankle in the first half and got better in the second or they decided to jog the first half and hammer the second. Just because the times on the results don't add up it doesnt mean the person cheated

Sorry, but was this referring to a first and second half of a marathon? I assume it must have been a much shorter race, since a marathon is so obviously not possible with those first and second half times.

cheater cheater wrote:

That is asinine. So what if it does not affect the runners he coaches. Spot a cheater and turn him or her in. It affects a lot of other people. He is no hero. He is as guilty as the cheaters if he knows about it and lets it go.

Ah, the angry moralistic do-nothing. Why don't you instead of jerking off at lrc, take half an hour after a major race and find some cheaters? He says it's dead easy. But, well, probably not for you.

The entire lrc community has found a handful of cheaters. This guy can spot many more in a single race. Now the anonymous under-achievers at lrc even want him to name all of these people and take the heat for it.

Comb through hundreds of races to find cheaters or bin swappers, but doesn't turn anyone in. Sounds like s tool to me.

bay area wrote:

Dont accuse wrote:

That part in the article where he said helped disqualify someone who had a 2:10 first hslf and a 55 minute second half.... what if the running participant had to take a sh@t in the outhouse for an hour in the first half because of diareaha. Or.. they sprained their ankle in the first half and got better in the second or they decided to jog the first half and hammer the second. Just because the times on the results don't add up it doesnt mean the person cheated

Sorry, but was this referring to a first and second half of a marathon? I assume it must have been a much shorter race, since a marathon is so obviously not possible with those first and second half times.

Ya i guess you're right. 55 minutes in the second half of a marathon would be the world half marathon record