jjjjjj wrote:
What governing body ratifies that "record"?
The same one that ratifies American collegiate records.
jjjjjj wrote:
What governing body ratifies that "record"?
The same one that ratifies American collegiate records.
The only thing this thread proves is the cancer that is liberalism. Trump needs to get building that wall.
reader of the forums 2.0 wrote:
jjjjjj wrote:What governing body ratifies that "record"?
The same one that ratifies American collegiate records.
Letsrun.com ratifies the American born highschool record, the American born NCAA record and the American born American record.
Very official and very prestigious.
Also, when verzbicas set those records he was an American citizen, competing for USA triaton at international competitions.
rojo wrote:
Are you crazy??
No, and I don't believe you are as stupid as your post indicates. You know what you did and just tried to do. But hey, I clicked and I responded.
Renumber wrote:
Also, when verzbicas set those records he was an American citizen.
No he wasn't.
rojo wrote:
not-so record wrote:Gerry Lindgren’s record had stood since 1964 and is finally gone. He also beat Edward Cheserek’s mark as well.
Gerry Lindgren DID NOT HAVE a record.
The record Andrew Hunter broke was the United States High School Record. That record is for ANY person, of any nationality, ethnicity, religion etc. that is a high school student and is younger than the maximum-allowed age.
The HS record book does not record "American-born runner" records. That's what we have the American Junior Record for, which Hunter did not break.
But if LetsRun does want to create record categories, can you maintain the records as follows:
Fastest HS Boy under 6ft
Fastest HS Boy over 6ft
Fastest American-born HS boy over 6ft
Fastest American-born HS boy under 6ft
Fastest HS Native American
Fastest Asian-born American
Fastest American-born runner of Asian descent
Fastest American citizen born in Asia
Fastest American citizen born on a military base
Fastest American boy with interracial parents
....many more.
Please be so gracious as to let the LR faithful be privy to all of these "records." It will really help the sport.
Are you an idiot? Lindgrermost definitely did have a record. He had the American HS record.
When Galen Rupp ran 26:44, he was celegbrated as the American record holder. Papers won't pointing out that that Rupp failed to break the fastest time run in America (26:25 by Bekele).
The same applies here. Hunter is the American HS record holder, period. Cheserek isn't an American. It's no different than the difference between a collegiate record and American collegiate record.
Rojo, LRC is the only place that talks about the "American collegiate record."
The point of a highschool record is that it is supposed to be the fastest time run by an individual in the US highschool system. Doesn't matter where the student was from, just that they are eligible to compete in a highschool sport (see tfn and Mary Cain).
Should every highschool, college, conference and meet keep track of school, conference and meet records by nationality since in track and field nationality is the only thing that matters?
Nationality is covered in the US junior and youth records. Fastest time run by an American under 19 and fastest time by an American under 17.
Do you get the difference?
reader of the forums 2.0 wrote:
Renumber wrote:Also, when verzbicas set those records he was an American citizen.
No he wasn't.
Yes he was. In 2010 the year verzbicas broke 4 in the mile he placed 4th in the junior triathlon champs competing for the US. In 2011, his senior year of highschool he won the junior triathlon champs, again competing for the US.
Renumber wrote:
reader of the forums 2.0 wrote:No he wasn't.
Yes he was. In 2010 the year verzbicas broke 4 in the mile he placed 4th in the junior triathlon champs competing for the US. In 2011, his senior year of highschool he won the junior triathlon champs, again competing for the US.
I don't believe you need to be a US citizen to compete in those events. I don't think Verzbicas was a US citizen at the time but I can't remember where I read that.
Renumber wrote:
reader of the forums 2.0 wrote:No he wasn't.
Yes he was. In 2010 the year verzbicas broke 4 in the mile he placed 4th in the junior triathlon champs competing for the US. In 2011, his senior year of highschool he won the junior triathlon champs, again competing for the US.
There had been talk of Verzbicas making the U.S. team for the 2012 Olympics at 19. That was not possible because the native of Lithuania is not a U.S. citizen. The attorney handling Verzbicas' application said he is expected to become a citizen next year.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-07-05/sports/ct-lukas-verzbicas-triathlon-spt-0706-20140706_1_lukas-verzbicas-world-triathlon-series-bicycle-crash/2rojo wrote:
Seyta wrote:That being said, he has been here since he was 10 - 11 (as young as Meb was when he came to the US) so I really don't know why anybody has a problem with him being recognized as a HS record holder.
It amazes me how dumb this logic is. So Mo Farah has been living here since 2011. 5 years is a long time. So if he wins the Olympics, you want us to celebrate it as an "American professional gold medal?"
It's an Olympic sport. Olympic sports are focused on nationalities.
I'm going to take a page from Ventolin's book for this one. You are a moron. The two situations you've presented are not comparable.
The system by which the Gold Medals are distributed in the Olympics is not REMOTELY similar to the ratification of high school records. The entirety of the Olympics revolves around nationalities, but that obviously doesn't mean that EVERY extension of an Olympic sport functions the same way. Case and point, the mile and two-mile. They aren't Olympic events at all. So what place exactly, do they have in this "Olympic sport"?
Formal records only exist via the ratifying organizations that back them. For high school track and field in the United States, there are only two ratifying organizations. The first is the NFHS, which requires the record to have been run in HS-only competition to be valid. The second is T&F News, which does not have the same restriction.
This is precisely the reason that in your article, German Fernandez could be stated as the 3000m HS record-holder over Verzbicas. Any idiot watching the video knows that Verzbicas crossed 3000m faster than 7:59 during his 2-mile record. It's only because it could not legitimately be ratified that it doesn't count.
The 3000m indoor record that Hunter broke was Cheserek's. Not Lindgren's. Cheserek held the T&F News-ratified HS Indoor Record, which he set in a race with Non-HS competitors. Hunter broke that same record in a race with Non-HS competitors. Since NFHS doesn't even distinguish between indoor and outdoor records, Lindgren had no formally recognized record at all at this point.
Nobody ratifies the "American-born" HS 3000m record. Yes, if YOU would like to become the ratifying organization of American-born HS records, then fantastic, they can become official. But as of now, you are claiming that Lindgren held a record with governing parameters that no ratifying organizations actually backed.
It's very much the same situation as the people who keep arguing about whether Boston's Marathon Course is record-eligible or not. The IAAF is the governing body that determines that, so they have the final say, regardless of how "tough" the Boston Course may be. Likewise, when Mutai first ran the "World-Best" on Boston, he did NOT become the World-Record holder. Formally, there was NO record that he actually held, because only the IAAF ratified records to begin with, and as such, nobody ratified "Marathon records set on a point-to-point course".
Claiming that Lindgren held the American-born HS 3000m record is no better than someone else coming along and claiming that Imane Merga holds the "Fastest 5000m while pushing someone else off the track" record.
rojo wrote:
The sport of track and field is mostly know for being an OLYMPIC SPORT. The Olympics are focused on nationalities. You run first and foremost for your country. You guys are mad that we are pointing out that he broke Lindgren's mark.
I guess when we covder the Olympics, you don't want us to mention countries at all. Are you crazy??
This was an article about High School track. If you asked these runners who they were representing when they competed, do you think they would respond 'America' or their school name? If these HS athletes ran 'first and foremost for their country', then Cheserek's own teammmates would have been more concerned with beating him than their competition. Do you think that was the case?
Trialswatcher wrote:
Totally agree. same thing as people posting a billion Henry Rono posts when he was lumping up On U.S. College frosh to seniors who were 18-22 not 25 like he was.
You know those Rono posts are about the fact that he was setting WORLD RECORDS solo, hung over, in bad conditions, etc. right? Not about how he trashed NCAA comp.
galen rupp number on fan wrote:
The only thing this thread proves is the cancer that is liberalism. Trump needs to get building that wall.
Liberals cannot accept that there is very little racism in American sports. They cannot comment about a simple football game or a track record without making it about race because without an issue like racism there is nothing to preach down to you about. They must condemn nonexistent racism in order to validate their existence.
Seyta wrote:
rojo wrote:It amazes me how dumb this logic is. So Mo Farah has been living here since 2011. 5 years is a long time. So if he wins the Olympics, you want us to celebrate it as an "American professional gold medal?"
It's an Olympic sport. Olympic sports are focused on nationalities.
I'm going to take a page from Ventolin's book for this one. You are a moron. The two situations you've presented are not comparable.
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Claiming that Lindgren held the American-born HS 3000m record is no better than someone else coming along and claiming that Imane Merga holds the "Fastest 5000m while pushing someone else off the track" record.
You call out a bad comparison and then make one of your own.
The IAAF or T&F News do not dictate what we talk about on here. If brojo states that Hunter is the fastest American high schooler ever, it is clear and straightforward what they mean. They don't need validation from a governing body that it is politically correct.
rojo wrote:
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It's an Olympic sport. Olympic sports are focused on nationalities.
It amazes me how stupid this ^ is.
Olympic aren't focused on high schools. They don't give separate medals and records for age groups or students in the OG.
Conflating the OG with high school performances is a new record in stupidity. Congratulations.
Seyta wrote:
rojo wrote:It amazes me how dumb this logic is. So Mo Farah has been living here since 2011. 5 years is a long time. So if he wins the Olympics, you want us to celebrate it as an "American professional gold medal?"
It's an Olympic sport. Olympic sports are focused on nationalities.
I'm going to take a page from Ventolin's book for this one. You are a moron. The two situations you've presented are not comparable.
The system by which the Gold Medals are distributed in the Olympics is not REMOTELY similar to the ratification of high school records. The entirety of the Olympics revolves around nationalities, but that obviously doesn't mean that EVERY extension of an Olympic sport functions the same way. Case and point, the mile and two-mile. They aren't Olympic events at all. So what place exactly, do they have in this "Olympic sport"?
Formal records only exist via the ratifying organizations that back them. For high school track and field in the United States, there are only two ratifying organizations. The first is the NFHS, which requires the record to have been run in HS-only competition to be valid. The second is T&F News, which does not have the same restriction.
This is precisely the reason that in your article, German Fernandez could be stated as the 3000m HS record-holder over Verzbicas. Any idiot watching the video knows that Verzbicas crossed 3000m faster than 7:59 during his 2-mile record. It's only because it could not legitimately be ratified that it doesn't count.
The 3000m indoor record that Hunter broke was Cheserek's. Not Lindgren's. Cheserek held the T&F News-ratified HS Indoor Record, which he set in a race with Non-HS competitors. Hunter broke that same record in a race with Non-HS competitors. Since NFHS doesn't even distinguish between indoor and outdoor records, Lindgren had no formally recognized record at all at this point.
Nobody ratifies the "American-born" HS 3000m record. Yes, if YOU would like to become the ratifying organization of American-born HS records, then fantastic, they can become official. But as of now, you are claiming that Lindgren held a record with governing parameters that no ratifying organizations actually backed.
It's very much the same situation as the people who keep arguing about whether Boston's Marathon Course is record-eligible or not. The IAAF is the governing body that determines that, so they have the final say, regardless of how "tough" the Boston Course may be. Likewise, when Mutai first ran the "World-Best" on Boston, he did NOT become the World-Record holder. Formally, there was NO record that he actually held, because only the IAAF ratified records to begin with, and as such, nobody ratified "Marathon records set on a point-to-point course".
Claiming that Lindgren held the American-born HS 3000m record is no better than someone else coming along and claiming that Imane Merga holds the "Fastest 5000m while pushing someone else off the track" record.
Rojo doesn´t have enough brains to get through a post as long as this.
been around 'ya know wrote:
Quite simply, I'm sure you don't confuse or give the same weight to a report from the National Enquirer (or an LRC message board rumor) as you do to a report by the New York Times or Washington Post. There is a difference between professional news reporting and entertainment.
Sure, I suppose; I don't give unqualified weight to anything in the NYT or WP though.
LRC is generally a pretty good source for distance running news though. They do have some misleading or ludicrous commentary, but then again so do most news outlets. I agree that their commentary about Hunter breaking Lindgren's record was misleading/inaccurate/etc.
Don't forget, folks, rojo is educated by the great Ivy League. This is logic that can only be purchased at the greatest intellectual institutions in America.
Critical Thinking wrote:
been around 'ya know wrote:Quite simply, I'm sure you don't confuse or give the same weight to a report from the National Enquirer (or an LRC message board rumor) as you do to a report by the New York Times or Washington Post. There is a difference between professional news reporting and entertainment.
Sure, I suppose; I don't give unqualified weight to anything in the NYT or WP though.
LRC is generally a pretty good source for distance running news though. They do have some misleading or ludicrous commentary, but then again so do most news outlets. I agree that their commentary about Hunter breaking Lindgren's record was misleading/inaccurate/etc.
Hunter broke Lindgren's record for the fastest indoor 3k by an American high schooler. There is nothing misleading, inaccurate, or difficult to grasp about this.
Read this once wrote:
Critical Thinking wrote:Sure, I suppose; I don\'t give unqualified weight to anything in the NYT or WP though.
LRC is generally a pretty good source for distance running news though. They do have some misleading or ludicrous commentary, but then again so do most news outlets. I agree that their commentary about Hunter breaking Lindgren\'s record was misleading/inaccurate/etc.
Hunter broke Lindgren\'s record for the fastest indoor 3k by an American high schooler. There is nothing misleading, inaccurate, or difficult to grasp about this.
Edward Cheserek set the high school record for indoor 3k a few years back. People keep track of NCAA records set by an American, but I've never heard of the same for high school. T&FN lists Cheserek as the high school record holder.