Discus. 19 minutes?
Discus. 19 minutes?
I'm going in with a vote of 18:30. Right around 6 minute pace.
guesserer wrote:
I'm going in with a vote of 18:30. Right around 6 minute pace.
Fair enough. Thank you.
I ran 17:37 when I was 36...so 17:38 would be a hobby-jogger at 36 years old.
Any time slower than what I'm running is slow. Any time faster is fast. I am a typical white American male and the therefore the center of the universe.
24:56 at 70 years old is a hobby-jogger.
A good rule of thumb is anyone who posts a time slower than you is a hobby jogger, anyone faster is a liar.
Hobby Jogging wrote:
guesserer wrote:I'm going in with a vote of 18:30. Right around 6 minute pace.
Fair enough. Thank you.
I'll go with that as well, with the caveat that the person is not an ex-collegiate or even high school runner.
I'm 34, started age 27 and I have a 10k best of 37:59 which is after YEARS of hard training with limited, but not absolutely absent, talent. That must be around 18:30 5k.
To go faster you need either more talent, or more dedication. But I run every day, am pretty obsessed with running, so anyone with no running background when younger who can now run a 33 to 36' 10k is pretty amazing, to me.
Trying to break away from the "everyone slower than me is a hobby jogger" I'd say that sub 20 5k is already pretty respectable for anyone 30+, but it is attainable with much less dedication and time than 18:30, of course. I'd assume 18:30 5k runners in their 30s without running backgrounds are kinda dedicated and obsessed like I am.
I agree too wrote:
Hobby Jogging wrote:Fair enough. Thank you.
I'll go with that as well, with the caveat that the person is not an ex-collegiate or even high school runner.
I'm 34, started age 27 and I have a 10k best of 37:59 which is after YEARS of hard training with limited, but not absolutely absent, talent. That must be around 18:30 5k.
To go faster you need either more talent, or more dedication. But I run every day, am pretty obsessed with running, so anyone with no running background when younger who can now run a 33 to 36' 10k is pretty amazing, to me.
Trying to break away from the "everyone slower than me is a hobby jogger" I'd say that sub 20 5k is already pretty respectable for anyone 30+, but it is attainable with much less dedication and time than 18:30, of course. I'd assume 18:30 5k runners in their 30s without running backgrounds are kinda dedicated and obsessed like I am.
I'm 43 now but I ran 16:49 at 38 or 39 and I have very limited speed and no athletic background. I swam as a kid and then I smoked a bunch of weed and partied in high school and was 235lbs at 5' 11.5". When I was 18 I started playing basketball and got down to 165. I continued to play basketball until about age 30 when it became too much for my back to tolerate. I race around 160lbs. I didn't start running seriously until about 35 or 36 and had to run a summer of 100 mile weeks to be able to break 17:00. To give you an idea of how little speed I have, I could never break 5:00 in the mile. I am stronger than average aerobically and I am a very good hill runner. I'm also totally obsessive so that never hurt any runner.
The established letsrun standard is this:
Anyone slower than you is a hobby jogger. Anyone faster than you is doping.
Hobby Jogging wrote:
Discus. 19 minutes?
Minor thread hijack: Are the Boston standards not a reasonable line of demarcation between the Runner and the Hobby Jogger?
AGE GROUP... MEN... WOMEN
18-34... 3hrs 05min 00sec... 3hrs 35min 00sec
35-39... 3hrs 10min 00sec... 3hrs 40min 00sec
40-44... 3hrs 15min 00sec... 3hrs 45min 00sec
45-49... 3hrs 25min 00sec... 3hrs 55min 00sec
50-54... 3hrs 30min 00sec... 4hrs 00min 00sec
55-59... 3hrs 40min 00sec... 4hrs 10min 00sec
60-64... 3hrs 55min 00sec... 4hrs 25min 00sec
65-69... 4hrs 10min 00sec... 4hrs 40min 00sec
70-74... 4hrs 25min 00sec... 4hrs 55min 00sec
75-79... 4hrs 40min 00sec... 5hrs 10min 00sec
80 and over... 4hrs 55min 00sec... 5hrs 25min 00sec
thejeff wrote:
Hobby Jogging wrote:Discus. 19 minutes?
Minor thread hijack: Are the Boston standards not a reasonable line of demarcation between the Runner and the Hobby Jogger?
AGE GROUP... MEN... WOMEN
18-34... 3hrs 05min 00sec... 3hrs 35min 00sec
35-39... 3hrs 10min 00sec... 3hrs 40min 00sec
40-44... 3hrs 15min 00sec... 3hrs 45min 00sec
45-49... 3hrs 25min 00sec... 3hrs 55min 00sec
50-54... 3hrs 30min 00sec... 4hrs 00min 00sec
55-59... 3hrs 40min 00sec... 4hrs 10min 00sec
60-64... 3hrs 55min 00sec... 4hrs 25min 00sec
65-69... 4hrs 10min 00sec... 4hrs 40min 00sec
70-74... 4hrs 25min 00sec... 4hrs 55min 00sec
75-79... 4hrs 40min 00sec... 5hrs 10min 00sec
80 and over... 4hrs 55min 00sec... 5hrs 25min 00sec
The men's times are pretty accurate as far as drawing a line between runner/jogger. The women's times are a lot softer, so I'd knock 15-20 minutes off of each of those to get the female "runner" marks.
where do send wrote:
A good rule of thumb is anyone who posts a time slower than you is a hobby jogger, anyone faster is a liar.
Winner! 10/10
2 things:
It's not your current pace that makes you HJ. It's your goal pace. 18'30 or 19' are solidly non-HJ goals, and so if you're actually following through with working for those goals, you'd be good.
Also weight counts. There's something to be said, for not starving yourself down to your ideal (and unhealthy) racing weight. I'm guessing the minimum for a normal person is 20lbs over Skeletal Mo Farah weight. Using the ole 2s per mile per 1lb rule, give your self another minute per 10lbs of cushion for the better the pushin'.
For me, 6'3" / 240 / 25' 5K PR, I'm guessing my ideal 'fit but normal' weight is 190, my goal weight for my May 5K is 220, and so add it all up and my non-HJ goal is 21'30 - 22'. Which actually was my goal anyway, before I started typing all that analytical gold above.
So targeting 21'30-22' makes me feel like I'm taking things seriously. Others are free to disagree of course.
[quote]old guy 70 wrote:
Any time slower than what I'm running is slow. Any time faster is fast.
agree but
no respect for anyone .ooo1 sec slower,
.ooo1 faster is juiced
I kind of like the BQ and BQ equivalents as standards, but indeed there are many out there that can BQ fairly easily, but they're still sort of hobby joggers.
For example masters runners running 20 or even 30 minutes under BQ standards, but not really interested in improving, or doing so many races that they just run at the same level. So you get the guy in his 40s or 50s doing 17 marathons in 3:25 to 3:40 a year, plus 25 half marathons, a dozen 10Ks, and 6 utras,capped off with a 3:23 at Boston. With a little focus said runner could probably run sub 3, but they are weekend race addicts.
Maybe jogger is too harsh. Obsessive fun runner might be more like it.
You are a hobby jogger if you don't get paid to run.
EOT
From what I've seen, at age 36, I would say that 19 minutes is actually a pretty reasonable cut off.
15:10
Come on guys, 19 minutes? Anyone in a local 5k that is not pursuing the overall race win is a hobby jogger. For most local races this is around 16-17:00, but some can be won in 18:00.
ralphie wrote:
The established letsrun standard is this:
Anyone slower than you is a hobby jogger. Anyone faster than you is doping.
Except no one has ever actually expressed that view.
+1
participation ribbon wrote:
ralphie wrote:The established letsrun standard is this:
Anyone slower than you is a hobby jogger. Anyone faster than you is doping.
Except no one has ever actually expressed that view.