How good is 6 x 800m at 2:01 with two minutes of a break between them leading up to indoors for a guy who wants to get under 4 minutes in the 1500m?
How good is 6 x 800m at 2:01 with two minutes of a break between them leading up to indoors for a guy who wants to get under 4 minutes in the 1500m?
1500m Man wrote:
How good is 6 x 800m at 2:01 with two minutes of a break between them leading up to indoors for a guy who wants to get under 4 minutes in the 1500m?
-10/10
1500m Man wrote:
How good is 6 x 800m at 2:01 with two minutes of a break between them leading up to indoors for a guy who wants to get under 4 minutes in the 1500m?
That would be a good workout even if it was 6x700 in 2:01!
steve Cram used to do that session [6x800m (2min rec) in 2.03], and he was a 1.42/3.29 guy. Why anyone aiming for 4.00 for 1500m would even contemplate that workout is unfathomable to me. Let alone actually having done it (which I find unbelievable).
Thats session should be at about 3000m effort (not necessary pace as a 8/15 guy might not be able to race that distance optimally), so a 4minute guy might at best be thinking about 2.15-2.16. It could be run even slower (5k pace), if done as part of a tougher training week.
2-3 x 800m for 1500m pace with more recovery (4-5 minutes) for a 3.45 1500m, so 2.00. For a 4minute guy looking at closer to 2.08.
Ok, I have a confession. I am a coach and I happened to sick of complaining from my athletes so I showed them this workout and they shut up real quick. But afterward I heard that they thought I made it up just to freak everyone out. I actually saw that it was Genzebe Dibaba's workout leading to her world record in the 1500m. I do think it is a beast of a workout, but I guess that's what separates the elites from everyone else. I was waiting for a couple people to start saying that it was an impossible workout and could never be done, but I got bored waiting and after your post I decided to spill the beans. Still can't believe what a tough workout that would be. Can't imagine the last one.
I think my post is pretty trollish though, so I would rather just fess up than have a bunch of people attacking each other over it.
1500m Man wrote:
I actually saw that it was Genzebe Dibaba's workout leading to her world record in the 1500m. I do think it is a beast of a workout, but I guess that's what separates the elites from everyone else.
It has nothing to do with being an elite. It has to do with fitness. Dibaba can do that workout because she can run 1600 in 4:00 not 1500.
Nope, actually it was the 1500m tough guy.
1500 m 3:57.77 Genzebe Dibaba Ethiopia 19 May 2012
Yup, Pete was a tough coach!
That was a record, but here is her wr.
1500 m: 3:50:07 WR
BOTH In the 1500m! Check your facts.
Hey! Bart Yasssssso here, you know the MAYOR of running and Chief Running Officer at Runner's World.
That's my workout! Please give credit to Amby Burfoot for the name and direct those in this thread to subscribe to Runner's World - The AUTHORITY in running.
It is actually somewhat surprising that someone could do that and not be able to break 4 in the mile.
Honestly...How can anyone do that workout and not run much faster for 1600? It is 3 times the race distance with very short rests.
Fygugu wrote:
1500m Man wrote:I actually saw that it was Genzebe Dibaba's workout leading to her world record in the 1500m. I do think it is a beast of a workout, but I guess that's what separates the elites from everyone else.
It has nothing to do with being an elite. It has to do with fitness. Dibaba can do that workout because she can run 1600 in 4:00 not 1500.
Like i said, not only were you wrong about the distance, your entire premise is wrong. It is because of their work ethic and natural talent combined that makes them have incredible fitness therefore making them elite. Really not that hard to follow. Do you know how many people are considered very fit. I would love to see them try that. I have a couple former national youth champs and they point blank told me to go to hell when I asked if they wanted to try the workout (using their 1500m goal times of course and basically splitting it in half and running 6 of them with two minutes of a break). God good, that isn't fitness, that workout is insanity.
Any workout has to be compatible with current fitness, not a killer effort, but a measured effort from which the athlete will recover quickly.
Texas HS Coach wrote:
It is actually somewhat surprising that someone could do that and not be able to break 4 in the mile.
Honestly...How can anyone do that workout and not run much faster for 1600? It is 3 times the race distance with very short rests.
Agreed! I was wondering the same thing.
Unnecessary.
3 x 800 will accomplish the same thing and leave you more energy for racing.
Apparently you are still having trouble understanding so I will let someone else explain it. According to her it was a killer effort in order to prepare to try and break a world record. Believe it or not, some people are elite and it is not just because they have great fitness, it is also because they have a great desire. They also understand that once in a while leading up to a big race you need to really work your tail off and get to your goal pace without chopping it up into 1/4's or worse and actually run it hard for half. I was just surprised she did 6 of them that low. Just please, I am not in the mood for buffoonery. If you can't get it, go to runner mama or some site like that where people worry about losing weight and fitness and not about being elite and training like champions.
Balian wrote:
Unnecessary.
3 x 800 will accomplish the same thing and leave you more energy for racing.
Again, I wouldn't disagree with you on that point. I was thinking 4 personally. Just amazing she could do it.
Yasso wrote:
Hey! Bart Yasssssso here, you know the MAYOR of running and Chief Running Officer at Runner's World.
That's my workout! Please give credit to Amby Burfoot for the name and direct those in this thread to subscribe to Runner's World - The AUTHORITY in running.
tremendous. I wonder if Malmo did it during his summer.
1500m Man wrote:
That was a record, but here is her wr.
1500 m: 3:50:07 WR
BOTH In the 1500m! Check your facts.
My facts are correct. I'll repeat it for you because you seem to have trouble reading: Dibaba can do that workout because she can do 1600 in 4:00 not 1500.