Won by 40 seconds yesterday; arguably the best cross runner in D3 history.
Won by 40 seconds yesterday; arguably the best cross runner in D3 history.
Top 30?
The D2 winner was insane as well. He dominated the field and could probably have been an all american in the D1 race.
As for Ian Lamere, he looked out of it towards the end of the D3 race (form looked bad and he just looked exhausted while just trying to hang on for the win) and the chase pack had closed on him slightly. I predict he would not have been able to finish the last 2k of the 10K at that same pace. I will give him top 100. He is very talented and could have been an important part of a top 10 team.
Top 50.
He is not the best cross runner in DIII history. The whole field let him go because most of the guys near the front had team titles to worry about.
nope nope no wrote:
Top 50.
He is not the best cross runner in DIII history. The whole field let him go because most of the guys near the front had team titles to worry about.
I'd guess he'd finish somewhere between 30-50.
He did just run the fastest winning time ever and had the biggest margin of victory ever. Which DIII cross country runners where better?
D3 XXXX wrote:
arguably the best cross runner in D3 history.
umm, ever heard of Danny Henderson?
Won D3 cross in 1978, two days later lined up against the big boys in Madison and was 10th.
Sir Fists A Lot wrote:
The D2 winner was insane as well. He dominated the field and could probably have been an all american in the D1 race.
As for Ian Lamere, he looked out of it towards the end of the D3 race (form looked bad and he just looked exhausted while just trying to hang on for the win) and the chase pack had closed on him slightly. I predict he would not have been able to finish the last 2k of the 10K at that same pace. I will give him top 100. He is very talented and could have been an important part of a top 10 team.
"Trying to hang on for the win"
He could have stepped off the course, wanked it and walked the last 800 before he would have had to worry about 2nd place...
I'd say top 50 with relative ease
jamitin3 wrote:
Isn't the Baby Nats course at least 500 meters short to make the athletes feel better about themselves?
Like the Furman course? Oh wait, that is D1.
Change the D1 meet back to Monday and let the D2 and D3 winners race at the D1 championships like the used to do. Then we can end another negative thread.
Up The Irons wrote:
nope nope no wrote:Top 50.
He is not the best cross runner in DIII history. The whole field let him go because most of the guys near the front had team titles to worry about.
I'd guess he'd finish somewhere between 30-50.
He did just run the fastest winning time ever and had the biggest margin of victory ever. Which DIII cross country runners where better?
1. Dale Kramer.
letsrun ranking service wrote:
Up The Irons wrote:I'd guess he'd finish somewhere between 30-50.
He did just run the fastest winning time ever and had the biggest margin of victory ever. Which DIII cross country runners where better?
1. Dale Kramer.
I ran against (well behind actually) both Henderson and Kramer in college. Kramer was just as good of a runner , but never placed top 30 at DI.
D3wrote:
Won by 40 seconds yesterday; arguably the best cross runner in D3 history.
All-American without a doubt. He was leading by 30 seconds after 5k. Looking at the splits, only his last 1100 meters weren't faster than every other split for anyone else in the field. Even then, they were still 3rd best in the field, just 3 seconds behind a much-improved 14:11 guy and 2 behind a 1500 guy.
The runners he beat were quite good. He blew out the aforementioned 14:11 guy, Josh Thorson, by 40 seconds. He took out much-improved 29:39 guy Bijan Mazaheri (who himself took quite a few scalps at Paul Short, including all-American Hassan Omar), by 45. The course was flat, but it wasn't so fast, yet he ran 23:35, one week after running 23:31, two weeks after running 24:10 in absolutely awful conditions.
Is that something D1 runners can do? Without a doubt. Is it something 100 can do? Heck no. 50? Still pretty unlikely. LaMere would be All-American. To the poster commenting that he slowed down toward the end, he already had a 45 second lead, and he was running an 8k, not a 10k--an 8k in which he went through the 5k in 14:35, just a few seconds slower than his PR. He's blessed or cursed with a lack of speed, and would be correspondingly even better at the XC 10k.
If LaMere runs on the track with the same ability he showed on the course today, he'll be well under 14 for the 5k and could break 29 for the 10k. And a 23:30 runner with those track credentials in D1 would be considered an All-American talent for sure.
Up The Irons wrote:
nope nope no wrote:Top 50.
He is not the best cross runner in DIII history. The whole field let him go because most of the guys near the front had team titles to worry about.
I'd guess he'd finish somewhere between 30-50.
He did just run the fastest winning time ever and had the biggest margin of victory ever. Which DIII cross country runners where better?
That course is stupid fast. And notoriously short. He had the biggest margin of victory because a lot of the other top guys had teams counting on them not blowing up because they struck out for individual glory.
As for better runners, Seamus McElligott, Macharia Yuot, John Crain, Dan Henderson, and Dale Kramer come to mind, just off the top of my head.
As for better runners, Seamus McElligott, Macharia Yuot, John Crain, Dan Henderson, and Dale Kramer come to mind, just off the top of my head.[/quote]
Crain never won an XC Championship. Yes, he ran what he did on the Track out at Stanford for 10K and was an animal anywhere 3K-10K but he still is missing what the others have.
I think Josh Moen was pretty darn good too...just saying. Tyler Sigl as well !
team kenyaaaa wrote:
Up The Irons wrote:I'd guess he'd finish somewhere between 30-50.
He did just run the fastest winning time ever and had the biggest margin of victory ever. Which DIII cross country runners where better?
That course is stupid fast. And notoriously short. He had the biggest margin of victory because a lot of the other top guys had teams counting on them not blowing up because they struck out for individual glory.
As for better runners, Seamus McElligott, Macharia Yuot, John Crain, Dan Henderson, and Dale Kramer come to mind, just off the top of my head.
Course was neither fast nor short yesterday (it could have been short, but the times weren't fast and the course was relatively easy, so it probably wasn't short). Almost no one PRed, and this was the race everyone was peaking for. D3 runners used to regularly prove that they could be All-Americans, and LaMere is quite a D3 champion.
just because he's a d3 runner doesn't mean he sucks. Education first letsrun kiddies
Fykes wrote:
team kenyaaaa wrote:That course is stupid fast. And notoriously short. He had the biggest margin of victory because a lot of the other top guys had teams counting on them not blowing up because they struck out for individual glory.
As for better runners, Seamus McElligott, Macharia Yuot, John Crain, Dan Henderson, and Dale Kramer come to mind, just off the top of my head.
Course was neither fast nor short yesterday (it could have been short, but the times weren't fast and the course was relatively easy, so it probably wasn't short). Almost no one PRed, and this was the race everyone was peaking for. D3 runners used to regularly prove that they could be All-Americans, and LaMere is quite a D3 champion.
I didn't even look at the times and I'm not familiar with the course, but I'd bet money it's short. Tons of big XC meets (both DI, DII and DIII) are short. Meet directors do this so everyone wants to come back to the "fast" course.
All big XC meet course (especially championship races) are way more likely to be short than long or accurate.
Not Cool Bro wrote:
I didn't even look at the times and I'm not familiar with the course, but I'd bet money it's short.
Ok, so you don't know what you're talking about. No one PRed. The course was so flat that it's unlikely it was short. Regardless, if all big meets have short courses, then LaMere's 23:35 is just as valid as Grant Fisher's 23:30.
Fykes wrote:
Not Cool Bro wrote:I didn't even look at the times and I'm not familiar with the course, but I'd bet money it's short.
Ok, so you don't know what you're talking about. No one PRed. The course was so flat that it's unlikely it was short. Regardless, if all big meets have short courses, then LaMere's 23:35 is just as valid as Grant Fisher's 23:30.
The fact that no one PRed is not a very good argument because guaranteed everyone's "PRs" come from short courses. Maybe they set their PR on a course that was 250m short and this one was only 150m short.
I admitted that I didn't know anything about this specific situation, but was just stating in general, XC courses are very often short. If I were to bet on course length and always bet on short, sure I would lose once in a while, but I'd definitely come out ahead overall.
team kenyaaaa wrote:
Up The Irons wrote:I'd guess he'd finish somewhere between 30-50.
He did just run the fastest winning time ever and had the biggest margin of victory ever. Which DIII cross country runners where better?
That course is stupid fast. And notoriously short. He had the biggest margin of victory because a lot of the other top guys had teams counting on them not blowing up because they struck out for individual glory.
Yeah, the course can be fast, look at regionals last year. Yesterday it was moderately fast. A lot of very talented guys didn't run blazing fast times outside of LaMere.
I can tell you with 100% certainty that that course is not short. I've ran on it multiple times for 5+ years and I always get b/w 4.94 and 5.00 on my gps watch. It's the same course that has been used for years and it's measured and wheeled out dozens of times every year and the markers are always the same. It's sad that people like you think that just b/c times are fast that the course is automatically short. Get over yourself.
Who cares if it's short or not...it's close enough to be used for a national championship...he won by 40 seconds...that is domination