OK we know that Knight was a stud in HS in Canada but what about the rest of the Syracuse team? Well not the set of HS pr's that would strike fear in the hearts of many programs.
Seems that Coach Fox does not buy a team seems like he develops talent!!
Colin Bennie – 9:07.44
Martin Hehir – 9:00.21
Dan lennon 9:00.52
Philo Germano – 4:19
Joel Hubbard – 4:09.27
Joe Kush – 9:20.03
Two 9:00 guys and a 4:09 guy certainly is buying talent.
Isitforgu wrote:
Two 9:00 guys and a 4:09 guy certainly is buying talent.
Man, now you're just trying to be a dick. How many high schoolers go sub 9 for 3200/2 miles every year, 20? 30?
Isitforgu wrote:
Two 9:00 guys and a 4:09 guy certainly is buying talent.
Given how many kids are running 8:50 or faster these days? I don't think so...check out Oregon's top 7 HS PRs.
Dewey_Runner wrote:
Isitforgu wrote:Two 9:00 guys and a 4:09 guy certainly is buying talent.
Man, now you're just trying to be a dick. How many high schoolers go sub 9 for 3200/2 miles every year, 20? 30?
No he isn't. Any coach who gets recruits like that should be very, very happy.
And how many Sub 9 guys does Oregon have sitting at home and they struggle to make the podium
Extremely impressive the team Syracuse has put together this year. Congrats to them. While most of their guys were studs in HS those time don't predict All-American status whatsover (aside from Justyn Knight). Extremely impressive the program has developed these guys like they have
Not buying a team? Those are pretty good times especially the two 9:00's and 4:09. He's a good coach but he's not working miracles.
Easy on the words, killer. A 9:00 is on the slower end of the spectrum for programs like Oregon, Stanford, Colorado, etc. Let alone getting a scholarship/full ride for that time... It's an average major D1 recruit time. Great coaching!
Isitforgu wrote:
Two 9:00 guys and a 4:09 guy certainly is buying talent.
Any how many schools were trying to get those 2 9:00 guys and the 4:09 guy besides Syracuse?
(insert the sound of crickets here)
Thats right nobody
Fox and Bell saw talent and worked with it
They also have a NJ product, Shawn Wilson, who is a junior. Was all-region last week running 31:06. He was 4:18/9:04 in high school.
A lot of guys in this era run similar or better hs times, none of which are good enough to place highly at NCAA xc, but Fox and these guys were able to get marked improvement over the field to do it. If you look at Oregon's roster, their high school times are markedly better than Syracuse's or Colorado's (which are better than Syracuse's).
What are Stanford's and Oregon's top 7 high school credentials? Oregon gets the nod because they are so dominant on the track each year but Stanford finds a way to jack up a national championship in cross team each year...
Syracuse has put together an amazing two years. It might not happen again for that program but how proud should those young men and that program be..just outstanding performance today!
dsadfccc wrote:
Isitforgu wrote:Two 9:00 guys and a 4:09 guy certainly is buying talent.
Given how many kids are running 8:50 or faster these days? I don't think so...check out Oregon's top 7 HS PRs.
Oregon is ONE team. Check out the high school PRs of all of the top 25 teams. 9:00-9:10 coming out of highschool is FAR from "developing" and much closer to "buying" success. Sub 9:10/4:10 is going to be contending for a state 1st place in many if not most states.
Isitforgu wrote:
dsadfccc wrote:Given how many kids are running 8:50 or faster these days? I don't think so...check out Oregon's top 7 HS PRs.
Oregon is ONE team. Check out the high school PRs of all of the top 25 teams. 9:00-9:10 coming out of highschool is FAR from "developing" and much closer to "buying" success. Sub 9:10/4:10 is going to be contending for a state 1st place in many if not most states.
HS running is just so much deeper now. In the 90s, only 7 runners went sub-9:00 in the 3200. In the decade following, it was more than 100. I had a teammate in HS who ran 9:18 and it was one of the top 20 to 30 times in the country. Now, it would be lucky to be in the top 250.
The "developing" in college is more refinement. 20 years ago, Wetmore was finding diamonds in the rough. The 9:10 guy would go to Stanford or Oregon; Wetmore would find the kid who ran 4:30/9:40 at altitude off of 35 mpw and play basketball in the winter and turn him into a sub-30:00 10k guy. Now, Wetmore gets the 9:10 kids and faster. But his team's are deeper than 20 years ago. And so is everyone else.
malmo wrote:
No he isn't. Any coach who gets recruits like that should be very, very happy.
Except there are plenty of college coaches who get that level of talent or better and do not win NCAAs with it. or even make NCAAs for that matter...
Isitforgu wrote:
dsadfccc wrote:Given how many kids are running 8:50 or faster these days? I don't think so...check out Oregon's top 7 HS PRs.
Oregon is ONE team. Check out the high school PRs of all of the top 25 teams. 9:00-9:10 coming out of highschool is FAR from "developing" and much closer to "buying" success. Sub 9:10/4:10 is going to be contending for a state 1st place in many if not most states.
Hey genius there are 50 states in the country. There are individual MEETS that have 20 guys go sub-9:00; Syracuse has zero sub-9 guys except Knight
adsfasfdsf wrote:
Isitforgu wrote:Oregon is ONE team. Check out the high school PRs of all of the top 25 teams. 9:00-9:10 coming out of highschool is FAR from "developing" and much closer to "buying" success. Sub 9:10/4:10 is going to be contending for a state 1st place in many if not most states.
Hey genius there are 50 states in the country. There are individual MEETS that have 20 guys go sub-9:00; Syracuse has zero sub-9 guys except Knight
There is pretty much zero difference between a 9:01 guy and the 20 guys that ran 8:55-9:0 from a talent level. The difference between having a good day during your couple of fast races and being off slightly is huge. Through in training (50mpw versus 60) and so on.
I think if you made the list of schools with 5 guys with ~9 flat speed in HS (4:09 and Knight would count) there are only going to be a dozen or so that can roll out 5 guys with those type of prs. The big question is why all of those school don't do better. It could be picking track guys over XC (to some extent oregon), coaching (Maybe it is bad luck but how often does stanford seem to have 2 top guys out.?), or who knows what (most of the IVYs seem to underpeform every year. Maybe those kids care more about academics than running).
adsfasfdsf wrote:
Isitforgu wrote:Oregon is ONE team. Check out the high school PRs of all of the top 25 teams. 9:00-9:10 coming out of highschool is FAR from "developing" and much closer to "buying" success. Sub 9:10/4:10 is going to be contending for a state 1st place in many if not most states.
Hey genius there are 50 states in the country. There are individual MEETS that have 20 guys go sub-9:00; Syracuse has zero sub-9 guys except Knight
"Hey genius" how about posting something actually relevant to what I posted next time. Nothing you said conflicts with anything I said.
Just because there are 8:5x guys out there doesn't mean that 9:0x guys are "developing" runners. They are in the same talent range. Truly developing runners would be 9:30+.
Slopenguinrunner wrote:
HS running is just so much deeper now. In the 90s, only 7 runners went sub-9:00 in the 3200. In the decade following, it was more than 100. I had a teammate in HS who ran 9:18 and it was one of the top 20 to 30 times in the country. Now, it would be lucky to be in the top 250..
That's an exaggeration by 300%
In the 90s 17 runners broke 9:00 for the full 2 mile.