"Syracuse out-Colorado'ed Colorado over the last 2k"

themanontherun wrote:

Quote stolen from someone posting in the live thread. Couldn't agree more. Dually impressive given the lack of altitude training. Anyone here have any insight on their training? The program his risen really steadily ever since Fox took over, and it's not like he's getting the cream of the crop every recruiting class (though he certainly gets his fair share of studs).

Justyn Knight is a top notch recruit but I agree with a lot of what you say.

At 5k it was 90 to 130 Syracuse, then at 8k it was 99, 99 and I figured it was over and Colorado would win. Great job to leave something in the tank.

Couldn't agree more, Mister Martin

Yeah, that was me.

Glad to provide inspiration.......

Does anyone have the place splits for both teams? I'm curious whether Colorado was moving up and Syracuse moved up more, or whether Colorado loat some places and Syracuse moved up, or what. Not just total team score, because both teams moved up from 8k to finish, but how many guys on each team moved up how many places?

They did it with foreign athletes....that's not Out-Colorado-ing Colorado.

Moussa had a bad day...probably all the anti-muslim rhetoric recently

Honestly, I believe that Colorado was out-Foxed.

Quote stolen from someone posting in the live thread. Couldn't agree more. Dually impressive given the lack of altitude training. Anyone here have any insight on their training? The program his risen really steadily ever since Fox took over, and it's not like he's getting the cream of the crop every recruiting class (though he certainly gets his fair share of studs).[/quote]

boogaboo wrote:

They did it with foreign athletes....that's not Out-Colorado-ing Colorado.

Moussa had a bad day...probably all the anti-muslim rhetoric recently

Too many micro-aggressions on campus I guess.

boogaboo wrote:

They did it with foreign athletes....that's not Out-Colorado-ing Colorado.

Moussa had a bad day...probably all the anti-muslim rhetoric recently

Remove the plural and you'd be correct. I believe Knight is the only non-American born on their roster (though being from Toronto, he's probably from closer to Syracuse than most of the CU runners are to CU).

themanontherun wrote:

Does anyone have the place splits for both teams? I'm curious whether Colorado was moving up and Syracuse moved up more, or whether Colorado loat some places and Syracuse moved up, or what. Not just total team score, because both teams moved up from 8k to finish, but how many guys on each team moved up how many places?

Solved my own problem. Interpret this as you all will...

2k S97, C181 5.2k S-7, C-51 8k S+9, C-31 Finish S-17, C-8

C – Murphy 18 7 (-11) 4 (-3) 3 (-1)

S - Knight 4 3 (-1) 3 (=) 4 (+1)

S - Bennie 13 8 (-5) 7 (-1) 8 (+1)

S - Hehir 14 13 (-1) 9 (-4 9 (=)

C – Pearson 28 18 (-10) 16 (-2) 25 (+9)

C – Dressel 94 76 (-18) 41 (-35) 26 (-15)

C – Saarel 96 78 (-18) 50 (-28) 31 (-19)

C – Winter 64 35 (-29) 27 (-8) 33 (+6)

S – Germano 52 56 (+4) 53 (-3) 39 (-14)

C – Moussa 42 26 (-16) 35 (+9) 42 (+7)

S – Hubbard 50 41 (-9) 51 (+10) 47 (-4)

S – Lennon 51 44 (-7) 56 (+12) 65 (+9)

themanontherun wrote:

Does anyone have the place splits for both teams? I'm curious whether Colorado was moving up and Syracuse moved up more, or whether Colorado loat some places and Syracuse moved up, or what. Not just total team score, because both teams moved up from 8k to finish, but how many guys on each team moved up how many places?

This will provide you with everything you're looking for.

Format goes:

School - Name Place at 2k (change) Place at 5.2k (change) Place at 8k (change) Place at Finish (change).

So it looks like Germano and Hubbard (-14, -4) were the only significant movement for Syracuse over that last 2k, both jumping up quite a bit. Pearson and Winter both lost ground (+9, +6) over the last 2k, while Dressel and Saarel moved up (-15, -19). So basically both teams had significant movers up in the pack, but Colorado had two guys who actually fell off, and one guy who fell off to non-scoring position who would normally score for them.Syracuse did very little movement in the space between 5.2k and 8k, but Colorado moved an awful lot. I wonder if that big push to make up for lost ground resulted in the difference in the last 2k? Tiernan took the pace out pretty hard, did stringing the front along benefit Syracuse? They led with dominance by 2k, and the other teams catching up seems to have reflected others catching up, not Syracuse losing ground (as evidenced by Syracuses's relatively stable score).

Actually, Colorado's top 5 finished stronger than Syracuse's top 5; the difference was that Moussa lost places (or Saarel was too far back at 8k). Ignoring Moussa and looking at the 8k places of the scoring team members, i.e. replacing Moussa's 28 with Saarel's 40, reveals a 'true' 8k score of Syracuse 99, Colorado 111. Colorado closed slightly (-12 to -9), but still lost.

Obviously I'm excited about the Syracuse win today and am very happy for Coaches Fox, Bell and Smith as well as the athletes in Orange.

I also want to show some respect to the Colorado guys. Watching them waiting patiently to congratulate Syracuse was an impressive display of class.

Two outstanding XC races today.

CU was macro-oppressed by SU's microaggressions.

kwallcuse wrote:

Obviously I'm excited about the Syracuse win today and am very happy for Coaches Fox, Bell and Smith as well as the athletes in Orange.

I also want to show some respect to the Colorado guys. Watching them waiting patiently to congratulate Syracuse was an impressive display of class.

Two outstanding XC races today.

I noticed that, too, Kevin. The Syracuse guys were jumping up and down, and it takes class to stand there and wait for a tiny break in the noise to congratulate them, especially since they were celebrating beating them.

Props also go to Daryl Gross, the former athletics director, for having the vision to hire coach Fox. No fan of the XC program could ever complain about him.

Well now that his cross career is over, it's time for Moussa to dissapear from the running scene. Guy can't do a thing on the track.

Cali tool wrote:

Well now that his cross career is over, it's time for Moussa to dissapear from the running scene. Guy can't do a thing on the track.

steeplechase?

"Ignoring Moussa and looking at the 8k places of the scoring team members, i.e. replacing Moussa's 28 with Saarel's 40, reveals a 'true' 8k score of Syracuse 99, Colorado 111. Colorado closed slightly (-12 to -9), but still lost."

LOL fastasy land

valuable contribution wrote:

"Ignoring Moussa and looking at the 8k places of the scoring team members, i.e. replacing Moussa's 28 with Saarel's 40, reveals a 'true' 8k score of Syracuse 99, Colorado 111. Colorado closed slightly (-12 to -9), but still lost."

LOL fastasy land

Agreed. If a normal top 5 guy for you falls back out of scoring position during the final 2k, that doesn't mean your team didn't close poorly based on the actual five scorers. That isn't to say Colorado didn't close well; relative to the field, they did. The point that Colorado and Syracuse both closed well but that Syracuse closed better (at least over the last 2k) is significant.