She ran at Columbia.
She ran at Columbia.
Glad to know she'll most assuredly miss both Rio and Tokyo. Get the drug cheats out.
Positive at Berlin ( 2:27:xx )?
This control was taken after Berlin. Results are from Croatian Anti-Doping Agency.
If proven her guilt, Croatian marathon runner Lisa Christina Stublić-Nemec (31) could get a four-year ban
http://www.24sata.hr/atletika/lisa-stublic-nemec-pozitivna-na-doping-bez-nastupa-na-oi-444840
She's american born croatian athlete, holder of many national records. Marathon record of 2:25:44.
I think she was born and raised in CT. Anyone know her HS pbs?
rojo wrote:
PS. I changed the title of this thread. It used to be, "Lisa Nemec positive on doping control."
That is an informative change, but I think the phrasing is still a little ambiguous. When I first saw it, I didn't know if Nemec tested positive, or if she was interviewed and had a positive view of doping control (i.e. "I think doping control is necessary and is a positive thing for our sport")
Anyway, it is disheartening when her level of improvement turns out to be fraudulent, especially for all of us who are striving to improve ourselves. It can certainly be done clean, but clearly some people choose a different route.
10,000 m 34:36.75[20] Philadelphia, Pennsylvania May 2007
Road 10 km 33:20 Karlovac, Croatia June 14, 2013
Half marathon 1:09:18 NR[19] New York City, New York March 17, 2013
Marathon 2:25:44 NR Zurich, Switzerland April 7, 2013
13.1 @ 5:16 and 26.2 @ 5:33 in 2013.
Is it EPO?
Hardly an auspicious beginning for a long-distance-type athlete, but when Stublic started to run as a freshman in high school, she won her first race and kept improving. She was a Class MM runner-up in cross country and finished fourth at the State Open as a senior. She won the Class MM 3,200-meter title and was the State Open runner-up in outdoor track.
She ran for Columbia, where she helped her team win four Ivy League cross country championships and finished 10th in the NCAA steeplechase as a senior.
After graduating in 2006, she wasn't sure what she wanted to do with her life. She ended up buying a one-way ticket to Croatia, because she wanted to get to know her father's homeland better. She ran there, still thinking that she was a steeplechaser, until she met her coach, Slavko Petrovic, who convinced her that she was a marathoner.
That may be our answer behind the transformation.
Oh, and...
Different stretching and breathing exercises fixed the problem, and Stublic was able to shave five minutes off her personal best this April in Zurich, running a 2:25:44.
Fuking hell.
Her coach is obfuscating, trying to say there is a negative B-sample, and that a blood test and urine test was negative on September 25th and 27th, but that her positive came October 6th:[quoteThe situation has tried to clarify Lisa's coach Slavko Petrovic. "In Berlin, the first two days before the race, September 25, was the control of blood. Half an hour after the race was to control urine. Both findings are quite clear. And then we are on vacation get positive result? Well, a million percent will prove to be a mistake. He just needs to survive this waiting and uncertainty, "said Petrovic.[/quote]
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=hr&u=http://m.slobodnadalmacija.hr/Novosti/Najnovije/tabid/296/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/305265/Naa-najbolja-maratonka-pozitivna-na-doping.aspx&prev=searchhttps://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=hr&u=http://www.24sata.hr/atletika/lisa-stublic-nemec-pozitivna-na-doping-bez-nastupa-na-oi-444840&prev=searchSlavko Petrovic is the Croatian record holder for the 5000m, 10000m, and 15000m. Same name as a Serbian soccer coach.
Not the first of his athletes to test positive:
[quote]However, there would be neither the first nor the last that slipped unwittingly enter an illicit funds through food or medicine. And for such cases is provided for the suspension, such as Sandra Perkovic paused six months for substances in energy drinks.
Clerk wrote:
Different stretching and breathing exercises fixed the problem, and Stublic was able to shave five minutes off her personal best this April in Zurich, running a 2:25:44.Fuking hell.
No different than the claims from NOP on "form" improvement which would involve stretching and breathing as part of the "plan".
Her college 10000 PB is pace for a 2:25. Just in case anyone was wondering how drugs work.
VEry reminiscent of the American girl who had similar improvement (ran for U Washington) and was popped for EPO (only ever for U.S. distance runner until Trafeh) while training with Eddy H in Albequerque.
rojo wrote:
I think she was born and raised in CT. Anyone know her HS pbs?
10:51 3,200 best.
http://parser.dyestat.com/search.jsp?athID=8943Rojo,I don't doubt your coaching and marketing skills, but you are a bit weak in geography and history...Croatia in Eastern Europe ???Croatia former Soviet Union ??
Rojo
I always thought her improvement was amazing and wondered why she didn't get more press but in the back of my mind maybe 5-10% of my brain did think 'Wait, she's training in Eastern Europe. Is it possible she could be doping?'
IF this ends up with a conviction, I guess the conclusion is everyone has to be viewed as a potential doper, particularly if they are from anywhere in the former Soviet Union/Morocco or Spain.
-Rojo
PS. I changed the title of this thread. It used to be, "Lisa Nemec positive on doping control."
Good. Screw this girl.
european wrote:
Rojo,
I don't doubt your coaching and marketing skills, but you are a bit weak in geography and history...
Croatia in Eastern Europe ???
Croatia former Soviet Union ??
It may not have been part of the Soviet Union, but it was certainly part of a communist country in the Soviet era. And as far as Eastern Europe, you will have to take that up with a lot more people than rojo - the wikipedia entry says, "Croatia is an Eastern European country..."
european wrote:
Rojo,
I don't doubt your coaching and marketing skills, but you are a bit weak in geography and history...
Croatia in Eastern Europe ???
Croatia former Soviet Union ??
Come on guy. Let's don't over think this. Don't act like one of those guys who thinks they are so smart they appear stupid.
By Eastern Europe, I'm referring to anything east of the Berlin Wall. I'm referring to Eastern Bloc countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_BlocYes Croatia wasn't part of the Soviet union but E Germany and all of those communist countries practically might as well have been. So replace Eastern Europe with Eastern Bloc and Soviet Union with pro-Soviet. I think anyone with a brain understood very well what I was talking about.
Technically Croatia is "Southern Europe" according to Wikipedia but geographically it's east of the Berlin wall so I don't think I'm geographically wrong. It's like saying Florida isn't an East coast state. It is but normally "east coast" refers to states that aren't in the southern part of the US.
NOP Techniques wrote:
No different than the claims from NOP on "form" improvement which would involve stretching and breathing as part of the "plan".
JK's favorite phrase is something along the lines of, "Plyos and drills. That's code word for doping."
His actual quote might be also include weights in there. But whenever huge improvement is attributed to form changes, someone needs to call WADA.
In retrospect, it looks blindingly obvious - half-decent collegiate runner moves to Croatia, becomes world class - that just screams doping.
Really, anybody improving massively that late in their career draws suspicion. Maybe if they barely trained in college, then suddenly dedicated their lives to running, it would be plausible. But to be honest, I've barely heard of Lisa Nemec, and had no idea she had a prior identity as an unremarkable US collegiate athlete. I can see how she flew under the radar for most people.
The main lesson I take from this case, though, is that I'm really impressed at how effective those drugs (EPO presumably?) were! That's quite a transformation. I'm a guy, not very fast in college, but a fair chunk faster than Nemec's college times for 5k/10k. I trained pretty hard for the marathon, and my best was low 2:30s. I would have loved to hit a 2:25, and was nowhere near doing it. That's some powerful stuff.
What about this guy? Trained under Mick Byrne and couldn't break 14min for 5000m. After stagnating on the roads in the USA for years he moves back to Kenya for 'altitude training' and runs 2:06.