Fernando Cabada Charging $400/month for Personal Coaching

You are the one not up to the task. You have no concept of the mental part of running. Personal trainer cannot fix the mental side of running better. "Give me a plan. Make me improve ore I will sue you," is why you are not worth the effort--poor mindset.

get results wrote:

If I am paying someone good money to coach me I would expect to improve. Clearly you would not be up to the task. And Jack Daniels is also a phenomenal coach who was never fast. Someone does not have to be a fast runner to be a phenomenal coach, however they are out there. For example, Hudson was fast and is a phenomenal coach.

UR not worth the time wrote:

Too much emphasis on "I WANT RESULTS". I wouldn't coach you for any amount of money. Your attitude means your failure.

I was once coached by a "Ghost" it helped me to get to "that place" I sure would like a chance to work with him again. There was never a charge just a great runner sharing his knowledge.

Once again - it is you who is not up to the task and I would not work with you either. If I am paying that kind of money to be coached,my expectation is that I would improve. I would want a coach with a proven track record of helping runners improve and set PRs. It can take two years to really get fit. If it was not working, I would not sue anyone, I would just look for a better coach with a proven track record.

not worth the time wrote:

You are the one not up to the task. You have no concept of the mental part of running. Personal trainer cannot fix the mental side of running better. "Give me a plan. Make me improve ore I will sue you," is why you are not worth the effort--poor mindset.

get results wrote:

If I am paying someone good money to coach me I would expect to improve. Clearly you would not be up to the task. And Jack Daniels is also a phenomenal coach who was never fast. Someone does not have to be a fast runner to be a phenomenal coach, however they are out there. For example, Hudson was fast and is a phenomenal coach.

Would not waste one moment coach someone like you who can't handle the mental part. It will always be someone else's fault you failed to improve.

This translates to you are not confident you can coach. I would want an athlete with a desire to improve. Go coach hobby joggers.

not worth the time wrote:

Would not waste one moment coach someone like you who can't handle the mental part. It will always be someone else's fault you failed to improve.

errrmmm

How about the fact that he is running at that standard for 8 years!!!!!

And his eprsonal career asside can bare no difference on his ability to coach

Wow you're an idiot!

Wrong, the translation is YOU can't put the proper mindset into being coached. You know absolutely nothing about coaching. There is no coach in existence who doesn't have athletes who failed to improve because they did not have the proper mindset. Alberto Salazar--the presumed most famous coach in the world--is a prime example.

How do you conclude I lack the proper mindset to be coached? I would hold the coach accountable and I would also expect the coach to hold me accountable.

Every athlete who went to a coach like Alberto Salazar is an elite athlete and their aspiration is to improve as a runner, it's their livelihood and they don't have a very big window to hit pay dirt. Take Shannon Rowbury. She wanted to get to the next level. The top athletes want to qualify for a national team, make the World Championships or Olympic Games, and try to win a medal. So you are saying Alberto's athletes who did not improve didn't want to get better because they lacked the mental aspect? Falling short of goals would be falling short of the expectations someone has of their coach, and they might lose their sponsorship.

If I paid for coaching I would expect to improve as a runner. I am competitive and that is the mental aspect that is necessary to meet my goals. I would also expect my coach to hold me accountable if I was acting out or being a headcase. I don't need a lot of their time or hand-holding so don't go there.

You're the type who would be scapegoating someone as a headcase if they don't improve, rather than taking ownership for your failure to develop them as an athlete.

Lib Rules wrote:

Working Stiff wrote:

That means Cabada is charging more than 5 times what his personal coach charges for personal coaching. That's awesome!

Unfortunately, in today's social climate Cabada has a bigger following with non-runners because it's his name in the spotlight. This allows him - or anyone with name recognition via social media (See the Amar'e Stoudemire shoe line...) - to charge anything they want for the services/products they provide.

In his defense, he DOES know how to run sub 2:12 for the marathon, and pretty much everyone wouldn't mind having some of that know-how imparted upon them...

How is being fast in any way a qualification for being a coach? A large percentage of running success is down to genetics. How does someone "know" how to run X time, anyway? I've run 2:28 but I could have easily been a 2:18, 2:38, 2:48, or 3:48 guy following the same training program if I were born to different parents.

If you were coached by Salazar, and you failed to improve, it would be entire his fault. No. He cannot change your mindset. He can try, but that part of "improving" is entirely yours to control.

If I were fortunate enough to be coached by Salazar or Wetmore or Vigil or Daniels, and I failed to improve, I would acknowledge that it's very likely that I've scraped the ceiling of my potential.

If someone hires a coach, one of the athlete's expectations of their role is to help them improve as a runner which is measurable by faster times and performances. One of the coach's expectations of his/her athletes is to follow the training plan and communicate if something needs fine-tuning. If an athlete's mental approach is not sound, the coach has every right to call them out on it.

An athlete can't scapegoat a coach and a coach can't scapegoat an athlete if an honest effort is provided by both parties. But the expectation remains, improvements as an athlete should take place due to the proper structuring of workouts and yes, mental approaches to training and racing.

get results wrote:

If I paid for coaching I would expect to improve as a runner. I am competitive and that is the mental aspect that is necessary to meet my goals. I would also expect my coach to hold me accountable if I was acting out or being a headcase. I don't need a lot of their time or hand-holding so don't go there.

You're the type who would be scapegoating someone as a headcase if they don't improve, rather than taking ownership for your failure to develop them as an athlete.

I could not agree more. Rather than admitting that they screw up and that their methodology is just ineffective for serious runners, crap coaches seem to have every excuse in the book for their lack of success: the athlete was a head case, previous PRs were flukes or ran on short courses or tracks, you name it. They will never learn anything with that attitude and I guess that is why they are crap coaches and sadly there are a lot around.

They will have success with hobby joggers because basically getting a hobby jogger to do a bit more of virtually any type of training will result in improvement. But this deludes them into thinking that they are competent coaches hence the plethora of excuses that crop up when then have continuously no success with serious runners with a bit of ambition for improvement (in fact such runners usually wind up running much slower than before they encountered the crap coach).

Blahbaba wrote:

Consider what people will pay for "nobodys" to coach them or for "nobodys" to be their trainers, I don't think $400 is to steep for a "Named guy", who is actually still running.

I know, personally, a "nobody" who has coached a sub 2:10 Marathon runner who has placed in the top ten at both the Olympics and Worlds.

I would much prefer to be coached by a "nobody" who knows what he is doing and is dedicated to his athletes than some big name who is "coaching" 100 people online and for whom I am just another one.

Most people are not training anywhere near hard enough to make it worthwhile

You could follow any basic plan and improve your running. The main thing to improve that further is to train in a group rather than who is coaching the group.

There is one thing that makes a great coach...a great runner.

Coach Vigil, price is lower & coach vigil has train world class runner's, i will pass on Fernandohe must be hurting in making money.

The Kenyans paid around $200 per month.

There's no regret

If I had to do the same again

I would, my friend, Fernando

Niyonbongo wrote:

I know, personally, a "nobody" who has coached a sub 2:10 Marathon runner who has placed in the top ten at both the Olympics and Worlds.

I would much prefer to be coached by a "nobody" who knows what he is doing and is dedicated to his athletes than some big name who is "coaching" 100 people online and for whom I am just another one.

Sure. On every street in every city there's a nobody who dreams of becoming a somebody.

No Benefits wrote:

He'll be lucky to gross $100k per year. He has zero benefits. No paid vacation. No paid sick time. No medical premium assistance. No company 401k, although be can set up his own.

He will be lucky to gross $10k per year with those rates. He would need 3 clients at $400/mo for the whole year to break $10k annual.

Flyonthewall wrote:

Coach Vigil, price is lower & coach vigil has train world class runner's, i will pass on Fernandohe must be hurting in making money.

The Kenyans paid around $200 per month.

I've met him once and I'm friends with people who know him personally. I'm fairly certain that he doesn't just coach anyone that wants to have him as a coach.