Feast or famine incentives will surely lead to more doping.
Feast or famine incentives will surely lead to more doping.
Runners who make WC or Olympic teams already make decent money from - relatively speaking.
I think runners should also get money based on their times relative to world standards.
Francena MCCORORY would have gotten nothing from the 400m event since she didn't make the 400m team (granted she did make the relay squad) yet she had one of the leading times and ranked #2. Shouldn't she get something?
Yeah, sounds a bit like the rich getting richer. It's the majority of T & F athletes who are not in this top echelon that need the funding, not the Allyson Felix & Ashton Eatons
fdasfasfds wrote:
Feast or famine incentives will surely lead to more doping.
Expect some "comebacks" in 2016.
Payoffs apply to top world times as well.
Laramigo wrote:
Runners who make WC or Olympic teams already make decent money from - relatively speaking.
I think runners should also get money based on their times relative to world standards.
Francena MCCORORY would have gotten nothing from the 400m event since she didn't make the 400m team (granted she did make the relay squad) yet she had one of the leading times and ranked #2. Shouldn't she get something?
B-Sample wrote:
Payoffs apply to top world times as well.
Laramigo wrote:Runners who make WC or Olympic teams already make decent money from - relatively speaking.
I think runners should also get money based on their times relative to world standards.
Francena MCCORORY would have gotten nothing from the 400m event since she didn't make the 400m team (granted she did make the relay squad) yet she had one of the leading times and ranked #2. Shouldn't she get something?
Where did it say that?
How about IAAF WC Credentials for the children and relatives of Team USA ???
At #Beijing2015 I saw that the children of USATF staff had IAAF Green Support and IAAF Yellow Media credentials.
It would be nice if Team USA could have some of those perks.
Thanks.
How about IAAF WC Credentials for the children and relatives of Team USA ???
At #Beijing2015 I saw that the children of USATF staff had IAAF Green Support and IAAF Yellow Media credentials.
It would be nice if Team USA could have some of those perks.
Thanks.
kmaclam wrote:
Yeah, sounds a bit like the rich getting richer. It's the majority of T & F athletes who are not in this top echelon that need the funding, not the Allyson Felix & Ashton Eatons
I agree with this. I think USATF has to find a way to make staying in the sport for someone after college or as a new pro runner more financially comfortable.
I used to think that if you gave stipends to the top 40 in each event, it would have a 'bumper car' effect and result in everyone up the rankings being forced to improve.
In retrospect, it probably would have actually resulted in more people cheating...
Egun wrote:
I used to think that if you gave stipends to the top 40 in each event, it would have a 'bumper car' effect and result in everyone up the rankings being forced to improve.
In retrospect, it probably would have actually resulted in more people cheating...
How would you determine the top 40? Time/Height/Distance or competition placings? I can see this being a bit convoluted near the bottom of the list - especially if someone were to hit a solid mark in indoor, but not compete due to injury in outdoor.
Old D2 Guy wrote:
Egun wrote:I used to think that if you gave stipends to the top 40 in each event, it would have a 'bumper car' effect and result in everyone up the rankings being forced to improve.
In retrospect, it probably would have actually resulted in more people cheating...
How would you determine the top 40? Time/Height/Distance or competition placings? I can see this being a bit convoluted near the bottom of the list - especially if someone were to hit a solid mark in indoor, but not compete due to injury in outdoor.
It would be fairly easy to come up with a system similar to golf and nascar to determine rankings
Laramigo wrote:
Runners who make WC or Olympic teams already make decent money from - relatively speaking.
I wish this was the case. I am running the world championships in December in the 50k (which I realize isn't the same as if I said I were running the WC in the 5k), but I have to pay my way out there and *might* get reimbursed $200. I am living off of selling my things, crowd funding, freelance writing here and there, local road races, etc. I have no sponsor (not for lack of trying). I am in a gray area where I am not quite good enough for traditional sponsorship, but good enough that if I want to get better, I need to transition into training full time. There are a surprising amount of athletes who much better than me, also in my position.
midwestgirl wrote:
Laramigo wrote:Runners who make WC or Olympic teams already make decent money from - relatively speaking.
I wish this was the case. I am running the world championships in December in the 50k (which I realize isn't the same as if I said I were running the WC in the 5k), but I have to pay my way out there and *might* get reimbursed $200. I am living off of selling my things, crowd funding, freelance writing here and there, local road races, etc. I have no sponsor (not for lack of trying). I am in a gray area where I am not quite good enough for traditional sponsorship, but good enough that if I want to get better, I need to transition into training full time. There are a surprising amount of athletes who much better than me, also in my position.
Best of luck, midwestgirl. I believe Laramingo has mistaken T&F athletes with some other group. (Maybe Pro Ice Hockey?) To think that we are elated with the prospect of making $35k a year as a PROFESSIONAL is nowhere near "decent money - relatively speaking."
LRC's Wejo's note:
Yesterday USATF announced a new plan to compensate top athletes with an extra $9 million over 5 years. There
and Alan Abrahamson has more
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Alan Abrahamson's headline has Dwight Phillips words calling this 'monumental'. While a definite positive step, I don't think USATF deserves a lot of praise for giving athletes the sponsorship money that comes from Nike sponsoring the Olympic team. That is what should be done. What was missing yesterday is a) all the details and b) how much Nike is paying to sponsor the USATF teams. I propose we use this thread to hash out the details, to explicitly lay out what athletes get now vs previously, and also get at b. For example, if Nike is paying an extra $7 million a year (I made up this number) to sponsor the Olympic team and USATF athletes are only getting $2 million of this, I don't think that is a good deal. If they are paying an extra $3 million and athletes are getting $2 then obviously that is better. I edited the title of the thread. Original post below.
The post above talks about athletes getting a $10,000 bonus if they ma
http://www.usatf.org/News/USATF,-Athletes-agree-on-Revenue-Distribution-Mode.aspx
They will also increase cash bonuses for athletes who medal in those events.
This is a good step. I would like to see them put a little into developing athletes as well, rather than just awarding the top-3 in each event.
midwestgirl wrote:
Laramigo wrote:Runners who make WC or Olympic teams already make decent money from - relatively speaking.
I wish this was the case. I am running the world championships in December in the 50k (which I realize isn't the same as if I said I were running the WC in the 5k), but I have to pay my way out there and *might* get reimbursed $200. I am living off of selling my things, crowd funding, freelance writing here and there, local road races, etc. I have no sponsor (not for lack of trying). I am in a gray area where I am not quite good enough for traditional sponsorship, but good enough that if I want to get better, I need to transition into training full time. There are a surprising amount of athletes who much better than me, also in my position.
Not to be a jerk but why would someone sponsor you? I feel like there are a ton of semi-elite runners out there that want a sponsorship and dont think its fair that they dont get one. The issue is none of you provide any return for the company. If a 2:18 marathoner runs in "x" shoes I could care less, I'm going to but what shoe works for me even if I am a fan of that runner. The general public isn't going to be drawn to that brand because they dont know who the runner is so could care less what they run in. James Harden gets $200 million from adidas because he makes adidas seem cool and people will actually by their products because of it.
The issue isn't the USATF not giving enough money or anything like that. Its that the sport isnt popular enough to make sponsors care about the runner. Its pretty simple. Make people want to watch track and youll get paid more.
At least we are not the only ones with these types of issues. Major League Lacrosse players face similar issues. This article was just in CNN Money yesterday.
http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/28/smallbusiness/major-league-lacrosse-salaries/index.html
USA Triathlon has been doing this for years. And that is a much smaller sport that Track and Field. And they give a ton more money.
$5k every 3months plus $2400 every 3months for your coach.
Qualification Criteria
Athletes can achieve Gold Level status through any one result from the below criteria points.
ï‚· Qualification for the 2016 Rio Olympic Games
ï‚· Top 8 finish at the ITU World Triathlon Series Final
ï‚· Top 8 finish in the final ITU WTS Series rankings
ï‚· Top 3 finish in an Olympic-distance ITU World Triathlon Series event
ï‚· Top 15 in Olympic Rankings at the conclusion of the calendar year
Funding and Benefits
Athletes who achieve Gold Level status are eligible for the following funding and benefits:
NTP Level USAT Stipend Travel
Reimbursement Coaching Stipend USOC Benefit
Gold $5,000/quarter* TBD based on approved ATP $2,400/quarter Eligible for EAHI**
Alan Abrahamson's headline has Dwight Phillips words calling this 'monumental'. While a definite positive step, I don't think USATF deserves a lot of praise for giving athletes the sponsorship money that comes from Nike sponsoring the Olympic team. That is what should be done. What was missing yesterday is a) all the details and b) how much Nike is paying to sponsor the USATF teams.
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Alan's piece is so painfully pro-Max you wonder if he is on the payroll. I too want to see big picture financials with a multi-year trend. I know they disclosed some details during the Nick Symmonds debacle and that is a good start. break out cash (and medical) to athletes from travel, broadcast costs, meet operations and office staff. Break out non cash items so the value of the team uniform is not obscuring the real net cash to athletes.
Athlete income in the form of event and nationals prize money, direct stipends, medical insurance, and coach stipends is the goal here. I do believe that spending money on elite events is a good investment as it gives competitive opportunities, sport exposure, and a chance to earn money. I just want to see how much of the new Nike money is going to athletes and not marketing agencies, CEO bonuses and new office furniture.
kmaclam wrote:
Yeah, sounds a bit like the rich getting richer. It's the majority of T & F athletes who are not in this top echelon that need the funding, not the Allyson Felix & Ashton Eatons
Can you say the same about the US champions in hammer throw or race walking? Do they make more than runners who barely make the finals of 1500m?
Running is not a game of skills or team sports. It provides a minuscule amount of entertainment to avg people and that includes 90% of the people who run races. So either you run fast and win or you don't. Nobody owes you anything so you can run twice a day with a power nap in between. It is not unfair. There is no job called Sub Elite professional Runner. Even in baseball, there are a plenty of minor league players who make peanuts and will never see the light of the day.