The most disturbing doping allegation ever? USADA caught Mayweather before his big fight but let him fight anyway.

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This guy too?

4 years ago 09/10/2015 2:26pm CDT
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(Editor's note: This initially was the first post in another thread that the poster started on this topic entitled, "USADA/Tygart now on the hot seat". We loved the post but we felt like it needed an extensive intro and better title).

http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2015/9/9/9271811/can-boxing-trust-usada

I know this has been posted in the PEDs on boxing thread (no surprises there), but this story sheds a massive light on Tygart and USADA and possible corruption. Mods: please keep separate as this isn't about PEDs and boxing, but rather Tygart and his private company acting irresponsible with taxpayer money.

What I learned is that USADA is not even a federal agency. They are a private "not for profit" company that is funded by taxpayer dollars (think defense contractors...) Makes me wonder what jurisdiction they have on anything and why they have full credentials to launch investigations or hand down judgements.

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4 years ago 09/10/2015 2:43pm CDT
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We are merging some other comments on the articles from threads that we realized were started about this topic but they had boxing titles so we didn't know they were out there.

Here are the other posts.

fred wrote:

"In other words, 18 days after the fight, USADA gave Mayweather a retroactive therapeutic use exemption for a procedure that is on the WADA “Prohibited Substances and Methods List.” And because of a loophole in its drug-testing contract, USADA wasn’t obligated to notify the Nevada State Athletic Commission or Pacquiao camp regarding Mayweather’s IV until after the retroactive TUE was granted."

USADA giving out RETROACTIVE TUE's. Hahaha, what a joke.

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Bill Murray wrote:

We always thought Tygart was a huge doucher just out to promote his career, but this article just proves it. In a big case on Armstrong he insisted on being the man that brought down Armstrong and he insisted on doing all the interviews. Here, he hides behind a press secretary who can't even get her facts straight.

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Fan-o-Sport wrote:

Comet59 wrote:

Interesting read, interesting parallels
http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2015/9/9/9271811/can-boxing-trust-usada

Great article

And yes this skullduggery is happening in all sports

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Boxing is corrupt and in..... wrote:

Other news, a dog bit a man......
LANCE

4 years ago 09/10/2015 2:46pm CDT
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I'm vindicated. Gimme back my TdFs.
Typical

4 years ago 09/10/2015 2:58pm CDT
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You are but one of the many white, racist, Pacquiao fans (he is viewed as being closer to white than Mayweather by these fans -- I have known folks like you my whole adult life).

The fight between these two was postponed for years as Mayweather insisted on random, Olympic-style blood and urine testing and Pacquiao declined to agree to the specific form of drug testing, and the deal fell apart.

Mayweather has required himself and his opponents to be tested by USADA for all of his bouts since 2010, while Pacquiao has sometimes used the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association to randomly test him and his opponent in recent years.

I am sure if Mayweather was using PEDs he would have insisted on testing for them. Makes lots of sense.

Further you are silent on Manny's refusal to undergo testing.

You also left out the following:

Floyd Mayweather strongly denied Thursday any wrongdoing related to his receiving an intravenous injection mix of saline and vitamins -- banned under World Anti-Doping Agency guidelines -- on the eve of his record-breaking fight with Manny Pacquiao on May 2.

The United States Anti-Doping Agency on Thursday also disputed that Mayweather violated any rules, saying the boxer applied for and was granted an exemption for the infusion.

"As already confirmed by the USADA statement, I did not commit any violations of the Nevada or USADA drug testing guidelines," Mayweather said in a statement. "I follow and have always followed the rules of Nevada and USADA, the gold standard of drug testing.
Bill Murray

4 years ago 09/10/2015 3:05pm CDT
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The United States Anti-Doping Agency on Thursday also disputed that Mayweather violated any rules, saying the boxer applied for and was granted an exemption for the infusion.

He applied for the exemption 19 days after the fight, Tygart is finally being shown for what he is.....a media whore looking to further his career. He wouldn't even comment on these allegations he sent a low level press secretary who couldn't even get the facts correct.
Ben L Wrong

4 years ago 09/10/2015 3:15pm CDT
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Newsflash. He was covered, like many other superstars.

Ivan Drago was inserted into the most advanced state-sponsored doping regime, he was doped to the gills and have the best technologies, but lost against Rocky Balboa, who trained for the fight eating eggs, throwing rocks and chopping woods.

There's people that loves to make millions by selling stories to the average joe.

Keep buying the boring Floyd's pay per view.

(And he actually lost against Jose Luis Castillo and against Marcos Maidana in the first fight)

BlkBlk

4 years ago 09/10/2015 3:19pm CDT
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He whooped their ass in the re-match thus he has beaten EVERY fighter he faced. Salty cracker!
Truth Tygart

4 years ago 09/10/2015 3:22pm CDT
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Truth: Tygart is a religious nut who lets it influence the way he deals with athletes. Gatlin got such a sweet deal because he found Jesus. One of the reasons Tygart targeted Armstrong is that he was personally offended that someone could go through life threatening cancer and remain an athiest and promote himself as such in the media. When Floyd Landis dealt with him, Tygart tried to convince Landis that he should turn his life around by embracing Jesus.

During cases, Tygart takes an ends justifies the means approach. He will ignore WADA rules. He will bend rules. He will make up new rules or reinterpret existing ones. There is no such thing as precedence in the ADA system. There is no body of law. He tailors the interpretation for each case to benefit the prosecution, and the interpretation may be different for the next case. The system is a kangaroo court where Tygart has immense amount of power to corrupt the system to his own ends.
Atypical

4 years ago 09/10/2015 3:31pm CDT
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Typical wrote:

You are but one of the many white, racist

I stopped there.
But why

4 years ago 09/10/2015 3:40pm CDT
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Atypical wrote:

Typical wrote:

You are but one of the many white, racist

I stopped there.

Of course you did.
Dope Police

4 years ago 09/10/2015 3:47pm CDT
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There was just way too much money involved in that fight and there is simply no way a positive test or doping violation was going to get in the way. I can't believe anyone would have thought otherwise.
common sense person

4 years ago 09/10/2015 4:53pm CDT
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Dope Police wrote:

There was just way too much money involved in that fight and there is simply no way a positive test or doping violation was going to get in the way. I can't believe anyone would have thought otherwise.

this

$15,000 investigation vs $150,000,000 fight?

lol

Moar pleez

4 years ago 09/10/2015 5:03pm CDT
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What sources are you citing?

More info please
pop_pop!_v2.0

4 years ago 09/10/2015 5:22pm CDT
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FYI, USADA has no authority to do anything. USADA would notify the anti-doping authority and their job is done.

I believe the promoter is not a USADA signatory, so USADA is there for show.
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4 years ago 09/10/2015 6:17pm CDT
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USADA has issued a denial to the first allegation.

http://www.usada.org/usada-statement-inaccurate-news-reports-pro-boxing/

USADA wrote:

As was already publicly reported in May of this year by the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC), Mr. Mayweather applied for and was granted a Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE) by USADA for an IV infusion of saline and vitamins that was administered prior to his May 2 fight against Manny Pacquiao. Mr. Mayweather’s use of the IV was not prohibited under the NSAC rules at that time and would not be a violation of the NSAC rules today. Nonetheless, because Mr. Mayweather was voluntarily taking part in a USADA program, and therefore subject to the rules of the WADA Code, he took the additional step of applying for a TUE after the IV infusion was administered in order remain in compliance with the USADA program.

It seems reasonable that USADA wouldn't be concerned he was getting an IV if it wasn't against the rules of the fight.
Adrian

4 years ago 09/10/2015 6:24pm CDT
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Ben L Wrong wrote:

Ivan Drago was inserted into the most advanced state-sponsored doping regime, he was doped to the gills and have the best technologies, but lost against Rocky Balboa, who trained for the fight eating eggs, throwing rocks and chopping woods.

And his trainer was HOT!!!!

BTW, there is PED use in mens and women's bodybuilding as well as professional wrestling. In case you didn't know.
dem bros be cheatin

4 years ago 09/10/2015 6:38pm CDT
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Ben L Wrong wrote:

There's people that loves to make millions by selling stories to the average joe.

Keep buying the boring Floyd's pay per view.

(And he actually lost against Jose Luis Castillo and against Marcos Maidana in the first fight)

True, but his record has zero losses. Which is all the retarded public will pay attention to. He actually lost a few others - if actual boxing rules were adhered to that is. Kind of like moronic James Toney being allowed to dope and handed a slew of crap decisions.
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4 years ago 09/10/2015 6:59pm CDT
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Regardless of the technical legality or lack thereof, Floyd receiving an IV of fluids & vitamins after a weigh-in for which he may have mildly dehydrated himself (not as much as most fighters, as Floyd fights close to the weight he weighs a week or two before a fight just "walking around") does not concern me in the slightest. If this was a violation of something, this is in the same ballpark, but even more minor, as Carl Lewis testing positive for pseudoephedrine and friends (in homoeopathic dosages) as a result of using an herbal supplement while training.
Bill Murray

4 years ago 09/10/2015 7:11pm CDT
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Going off Mayweather's word as to what was in the IV is like believing Lance Armstrong when he says all that was in the injections were vitamins and B12. If this is the case we don't need testing.....let's just all go on the honor system! ha ha ha
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4 years ago 09/10/2015 7:27pm CDT
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In all seriousness, this is among the least disturbing doping allegations ever. Boxing is a "sport" in which people beat each other into oblivion for entertainment. Do we really care if they take substances that might be harmful to their long-term health? Do we care if people are forced to take health risks to compete at a high level in the sport?

I don't.