We all read Dibaba finished her last 800 in 1:56.9 (a fantastic time for a solo 800) and Ayana ran her last 3000 in 8:19 (something like the 6th fastest time ever run.)
A lot has been written about Dibaba's last half but is it even the most impressive of the distance events?
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Ayana killed Dibaba in the 5 and has the faster PR but I still Dibs is the better runner
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FlowerPower wrote:
We all read Dibaba finished her last 800 in 1:56.9 (a fantastic time for a solo 800) and Ayana ran her last 3000 in 8:19 (something like the 6th fastest time ever run.)
A lot has been written about Dibaba's last half but is it even the most impressive of the distance events?
Ayana's 8:19, that's ridiculous, the Kenyan record before last year was 8:22 before Helen Obiri ran 8:21 I think, 8:19 doesn't come around that often, someone runs 1:55-1:57 pretty much every year
Yes Dibaba ran 1:56, but she was pushed the whole way, Ayana did a lot of her 8:19 solo, and Ayana margin of winning was crazy too -
8'20 times shouda been commonplace a decade+ ago
i saw lotta races by szabo / adere / paula / ouaziz when they shouda broken 8'20 but they got involved in tactical battles & pace crawled to a jog before bell-lap
szabo's "ole" wr was epic, made by paula but she only jogged thru 2k in something slow like 5'37
8'20 is really a pretty poor time
it's just that the gals now are attacking it more & not letting their foot off the gas thruout -
ventolin^3 wrote:
8'20 is really a pretty poor time
it's just that the gals now are attacking it more & not letting their foot off the gas thruout
Aight ventolin so with ur fancy #s and all that u thinking Ayana was better compared to 157 800? -
If Ayana had been in the men's 5000, and started fast from the gun instead of waiting a few laps, she would have WON in sub 13:50. As it was, a good chunk of the w5000 was still faster than a good chunk of the m5000.
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Which would be more likely for a h.s. boy to run, 1:57 or 8:19? There's your answer.
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Bad Wigins wrote:
As it was, a good chunk of the w5000 was still faster than a good chunk of the m5000.
Ayana's first, third and fourth kilometres were faster than Farah's. The men 5000m was a sad joke. There's a warm up track for that. -
Impossible. All the talent has moved to the marathon.
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So you pick the people (HS boys) on the planet with the LEAST relative distance running ability and set them up against the people with the MOST relative distance running ability (Open women) to come up with your answer. Not a very good argument.
You are correct however that 8:19 is better than 1:56.9. The reason is that behind Dibaba the next couple women ran 1:57.4ish so how much is that 0.5 seconds worth?
Ayana on the other hand used her 8:19.9 to break 2nd and 3rd place and put 17+ seconds on them while running a WC record time. -
Thoughts worth a penny wrote:
Which would be more likely for a h.s. boy to run, 1:57 or 8:19? There's your answer.
This is what I always wonder, how come elite women's 800 times are so shitty compared to all other distances?
A high school boy running 1:57 (which is about what the top female in the world has been last several years) wouldn't sniff a medal at virtually any High School State Championship meet.
Meanwhile a boy running 21.6 like Schippers, 49 low like Felix, 1500 like Dibaba, 10.7 like SAFP would all be very competitive and probably at least top 5. Further example, Jenny Simpson and Rowbury both have PRs around 3:56-57. How many high school boys running those times would not be able to break 2 flat (like Simpson and Rowbury)? My guess is zero.
Just seems odd to me the women's 800 times lag so far behind all other distances comparatively. -
Ventolin, 8:20 is really a pretty poor time REALLY?
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Yeah, so is 7:20
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This is not even a close call. It's Ayana's 3000. By a large margin.
Some of the better points have already been made by smart posters: The raw time comparison. The underlying dymanics of the race. The duration of the competition within the race. The margin of victory.
I've said it before in another thread. The womens 5000 was the best distance race of the meet. Ayana's race was the best distance performance of the meet. -
Nmlllmkkkn wrote:Ventolin, 8:20 is really a pretty poor time REALLY?
have a think
wang ran 3'51 which was nearly the wr
genze has beaten all those chinese 1500s
wang has run 8'06
logically, genze as an 1500/5k gal shoudn't be that far behind wang's best over 3k
therefore 8'20 woud be a crap time for genze & also for some other top african gals past/present -
for demonstration try a nice round 10% difference between men / women for middle / distance :
3'50 -> 3'29.0
8'06 -> 7'21.8
8'20 -> 7'34.5
this just shows how crappy 8'20 is
it's not worth any better than ~ 7'34 for men whereas 3'50 & 8'06 for the gals is much more like an elite equivalent for men
( genze had suicidal opening lap, poor pacing & lack of drafting in her 3'50 & couda gone close to 3'48-flat in an ideal race which -> 3'27-low ) -
FormerHighSchoolBoy wrote:
Thoughts worth a penny wrote:
Which would be more likely for a h.s. boy to run, 1:57 or 8:19? There's your answer.
This is what I always wonder, how come elite women's 800 times are so shitty compared to all other distances?
A high school boy running 1:57 (which is about what the top female in the world has been last several years) wouldn't sniff a medal at virtually any High School State Championship meet.
Meanwhile a boy running 21.6 like Schippers, 49 low like Felix, 1500 like Dibaba, 10.7 like SAFP would all be very competitive and probably at least top 5. Further example, Jenny Simpson and Rowbury both have PRs around 3:56-57. How many high school boys running those times would not be able to break 2 flat (like Simpson and Rowbury)? My guess is zero.
Just seems odd to me the women's 800 times lag so far behind all other distances comparatively.
The times you mention aren't bad for HS boys, but you've never been around California State Meets if you think any of those times come close. -
Bro - Mama wrote:
FormerHighSchoolBoy wrote:
Thoughts worth a penny wrote:
Which would be more likely for a h.s. boy to run, 1:57 or 8:19? There's your answer.
This is what I always wonder, how come elite women's 800 times are so shitty compared to all other distances?
A high school boy running 1:57 (which is about what the top female in the world has been last several years) wouldn't sniff a medal at virtually any High School State Championship meet.
Meanwhile a boy running 21.6 like Schippers, 49 low like Felix, 1500 like Dibaba, 10.7 like SAFP would all be very competitive and probably at least top 5. Further example, Jenny Simpson and Rowbury both have PRs around 3:56-57. How many high school boys running those times would not be able to break 2 flat (like Simpson and Rowbury)? My guess is zero.
Just seems odd to me the women's 800 times lag so far behind all other distances comparatively.
The times you mention aren't bad for HS boys, but you've never been around California State Meets if you think any of those times come close.
Your reading comprehension is clearly poor because I was not saying any of the times themselves were bad or how they would fair in California. The point is that relative to the other performances, 1:57 is certainly the worst and least competitive compared to the other times and would be far less competitive at a championship caliber meet of any state. -
U guys r missing the point tho. Dibaba ran 156.9 and 5k pr is only a couple seconds slower than Anaya. If she hadn't had a busted leg she woulda killlled her on the last few laps.
Her 3k pr was like six seconds faster than Anaya's -
Diingleberry wrote:
U guys r missing the point tho. Dibaba ran 156.9 and 5k pr is only a couple seconds slower than Anaya. If she hadn't had a busted leg she woulda killlled her on the last few laps.
Her 3k pr was like six seconds faster than Anaya's
Looks like you are really missing the point entirely. Suggest you reread the thread title.
