Could ElG have done what Farah is doing if ElG was currently in his prime?
Could he win the 5 and 10 if for some reason he was not interested in facing Asbek Kiprop at 1500m?
Could ElG have done what Farah is doing if ElG was currently in his prime?
Could he win the 5 and 10 if for some reason he was not interested in facing Asbek Kiprop at 1500m?
EL G would put about 2-5 meters on farah if he were in the races this past weekend.
Why the hell would anybody consider racing a 10,000 if they could dominate the 1500?
Bring Back the 880 wrote:
Why the hell would anybody consider racing a 10,000 if they could dominate the 1500?
You do not understand the question in my opening post? Try to follow the question if you can.
I reckon he wouldn't fear Asbel Kiprop, considering that he raced Lagat in '04, who had a faster time than Kiprop. Nevertheless, I think El G would have been able to in the 5k, but not the 10k.
F*ck yeah...and he would do a better job of it, too (faster times).
But this really harkens to another question that I've been asking myself for a long, long time: If you take ANY formidable 1500m runner (3:29.50 or below) and ACTUALLY TRAIN him as a 5,000m & 10,000m runner, will he do the same thing as Farah? I believe the answer is 'yes.' Seriously, Farah's a 3:28 guy, which to me says it's not some "impressive range," he's just a true 1500m specialist who trained as a 10,000m runner. This is why his 5,000m PR is roughly equal to El Guerrouj's (El G is 12:50, Farah is 12:53). For reference, Bernard Lagat, nearly on El G's level, was 12:53 as well while 36 yrs. old, so he was probably a 12:50-12:51 guy in his prime. And also for reference, El G doesn't have a 10,000m PB listed on IAAF's site. So the dude who asked, "Why would you run a 10,000 if you could dominate the 1500?" has a point.
PREposterous wrote:
You do not understand the question in my opening post? Try to follow the question if you can.
It's a stupid ass question.
He's just a 1500 guy. wrote:
F*ck yeah...and he would do a better job of it, too (faster times).
But this really harkens to another question that I've been asking myself for a long, long time: If you take ANY formidable 1500m runner (3:29.50 or below) and ACTUALLY TRAIN him as a 5,000m & 10,000m runner, will he do the same thing as Farah? I believe the answer is 'yes.' Seriously, Farah's a 3:28 guy, which to me says it's not some "impressive range," he's just a true 1500m specialist who trained as a 10,000m runner. This is why his 5,000m PR is roughly equal to El Guerrouj's (El G is 12:50, Farah is 12:53). For reference, Bernard Lagat, nearly on El G's level, was 12:53 as well while 36 yrs. old, so he was probably a 12:50-12:51 guy in his prime. And also for reference, El G doesn't have a 10,000m PB listed on IAAF's site. So the dude who asked, "Why would you run a 10,000 if you could dominate the 1500?" has a point.
Here's the thing - Farah also has run 59:30 and has the indoor 2 mile world record.... these are not likely things a 3:29.50 runner (about Nick Willis) could do.
titty boi wrote:
PREposterous wrote:You do not understand the question in my opening post? Try to follow the question if you can.
It's a stupid ass question.
You are not very bright. Learn to read.
He's just a 1500 guy. wrote:
F*ck yeah...and he would do a better job of it, too (faster times).
But this really harkens to another question that I've been asking myself for a long, long time: If you take ANY formidable 1500m runner (3:29.50 or below) and ACTUALLY TRAIN him as a 5,000m & 10,000m runner, will he do the same thing as Farah? I believe the answer is 'yes.' Seriously, Farah's a 3:28 guy, which to me says it's not some "impressive range," he's just a true 1500m specialist who trained as a 10,000m runner. This is why his 5,000m PR is roughly equal to El Guerrouj's (El G is 12:50, Farah is 12:53). For reference, Bernard Lagat, nearly on El G's level, was 12:53 as well while 36 yrs. old, so he was probably a 12:50-12:51 guy in his prime. And also for reference, El G doesn't have a 10,000m PB listed on IAAF's site. So the dude who asked, "Why would you run a 10,000 if you could dominate the 1500?" has a point.
dumbest post of the week goes to...
rebuttals:
any 3:29.5 or below guy should domintate the 10k huh? how about Nick Willis? trains like a 5k guy, still gets out-kicked by Ben True in a 13:30 race.
farah's 3:28 was in a well-paced time trial race against awesome competition, he's never had that opportunity in a 5k or 10k. his 3:28.8 is 31st fastest 1500m all-time, and farah is the 9th fastest 1500m runner of all time. compare that to the 5/10. 31st fastest 5k is 12:50.25, 9th fastest 5k runner is 12:48.66 man Isaac Songok. 31st fastest 10k is 26:48, SLOWER than farah. 9th fastest 10k guy is 26:38 by Salah Hissou.
Farah can run faster than 12:48 and 26:38 EASILY given the opportunity, with competition. So he's not better at 1500m, unless you think he could run 3:27mid or better.
Also, Lagat way WAY BETTER than 12:5 shape in his prime. for his 12:53 at 36yo, he closed in what, 53 seconds? something like that. obviously had 12:40s in him even at 36yo.
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You are not very bright. Learn to read.[/quote]
I'm able to read. You asked a stupid question in a lame ass attempt to stir some discussion on this forum.
titty boi wrote:
You are not very bright. Learn to read.[/quote]
I'm able to read. You asked a stupid question in a lame ass attempt to stir some discussion on this forum.[/quote]
Answer the question or STFU.
illegitimate wrote:
Here's the thing - Farah also has run 59:30 and has the indoor 2 mile world record.... these are not likely things a 3:29.50 runner (about Nick Willis) could do.
That 2 mile is a world best not a world record. It is also very very weak (which is why Farah went for it). I'd bet that nearly every sub 3:30 guy could have run 8:04. That's only like a 7:35 3000, isn't it?
Farah's best event is the 1500. He's chicken and avoids Kiprop though and instead runs the 10000.
reed wrote:
He's just a 1500 guy. wrote:F*ck yeah...and he would do a better job of it, too (faster times).
But this really harkens to another question that I've been asking myself for a long, long time: If you take ANY formidable 1500m runner (3:29.50 or below) and ACTUALLY TRAIN him as a 5,000m & 10,000m runner, will he do the same thing as Farah? I believe the answer is 'yes.' Seriously, Farah's a 3:28 guy, which to me says it's not some "impressive range," he's just a true 1500m specialist who trained as a 10,000m runner. This is why his 5,000m PR is roughly equal to El Guerrouj's (El G is 12:50, Farah is 12:53). For reference, Bernard Lagat, nearly on El G's level, was 12:53 as well while 36 yrs. old, so he was probably a 12:50-12:51 guy in his prime. And also for reference, El G doesn't have a 10,000m PB listed on IAAF's site. So the dude who asked, "Why would you run a 10,000 if you could dominate the 1500?" has a point.
dumbest post of the week goes to...
rebuttals:
any 3:29.5 or below guy should domintate the 10k huh? how about Nick Willis? trains like a 5k guy, still gets out-kicked by Ben True in a 13:30 race.
farah's 3:28 was in a well-paced time trial race against awesome competition, he's never had that opportunity in a 5k or 10k. his 3:28.8 is 31st fastest 1500m all-time, and farah is the 9th fastest 1500m runner of all time. compare that to the 5/10. 31st fastest 5k is 12:50.25, 9th fastest 5k runner is 12:48.66 man Isaac Songok. 31st fastest 10k is 26:48, SLOWER than farah. 9th fastest 10k guy is 26:38 by Salah Hissou.
Farah can run faster than 12:48 and 26:38 EASILY given the opportunity, with competition. So he's not better at 1500m, unless you think he could run 3:27mid or better.
Also, Lagat way WAY BETTER than 12:5 shape in his prime. for his 12:53 at 36yo, he closed in what, 53 seconds? something like that. obviously had 12:40s in him even at 36yo.
My point was that a 1500m-runner's kick is what is winning those 5k & 10k races. Just because Nick has run a 5k, does that mean he trains as a 5k runner? Furthermore, I suggested he train as a 10k runner, not as a 5k runner. On top of that, is there proof that Nick is training optimally at all? Even Farah himself had some pretty dismal PR's before his 2011 explosion.
Until Farah runs 12:48 or 26:38, no one knows that he can, so that's no argument at all.
But regardless of any of that, I'd like to know what you consider Farah to be. Lagat is a 3:26 guy, and he is a 1500m guy (or was until he got old). Daniel Komen is a 3:29 guy, and he is a 3000m/2-mile guy. Farah is between the two, so he's, what, a 2000m guy (if not a 1500m guy)? My point is he's a mid-d guy, and yet he's been trained like a 10,000m runner...and look at the results.
Said a different way, if 3:28 does NOT mean you're a natural 1500m guy, what does?
He's just a 1500m guy. wrote:
Said a different way, if 3:28 does NOT mean you're a natural 1500m guy, what does?
7 straight gold medals at 5K/10K, places consistently higher in Diamond League 3k/5k than 1500, 2 mile indoor WR, great HM PB. He can run a fast 1500 but that is the bottom of his very wide range.
This is what wrote:
7 straight gold medals at 5K/10K, places consistently higher in Diamond League 3k/5k than 1500, 2 mile indoor WR, great HM PB. He can run a fast 1500 but that is the bottom of his very wide range.
Medals and titles aren't physiology. That 2 mile record is not a WR. It is slow.
Comprehend wrote:
Medals and titles aren't physiology. That 2 mile record is not a WR. It is slow.
Yeah they are. A 59:32 half marathon is also physiology and not a 1500 guy's at that.
PRs don't tell the whole story because well paced 5K/10Ks are rare. Medals do.
PREposterous wrote:
Answer the question or STFU.
Stop being a dumba$$ or refrain from using the internet.
This is what wrote:
He's just a 1500m guy. wrote:Said a different way, if 3:28 does NOT mean you're a natural 1500m guy, what does?
7 straight gold medals at 5K/10K, places consistently higher in Diamond League 3k/5k than 1500, 2 mile indoor WR, great HM PB. He can run a fast 1500 but that is the bottom of his very wide range.
That doesn't answer the question of what time makes a guy a 1500m guy for sure. Instead, you answered the question of what could a 3:28 mean.
Truuuuth wrote:
That 2 mile is a world best not a world record. It is also very very weak (which is why Farah went for it). I'd bet that nearly every sub 3:30 guy could have run 8:04. That's only like a 7:35 3000, isn't it?
According to Milesplit 8:04 two mile converts to 7:28.8 3k.