Did the Beijing WC prove that Arthur Lydiard method is outdated?

Drugs, really.

Until the IAAF stops allowing doping you may as well postulate the number of angels on the head of a pin.

Actually, it is all the aerobic mileage that allows you to run as fast as you can at the end of races. Otherwise the best 400 runners would also be the best at all the longer distances as well. Most people cannot run 51 seconds for 400 meters and fewer can do it at the end of a distance race. But if you're exhausted and staggering you're not running 51 no matter how much speed you have.

HRE wrote:

Actually, it is all the aerobic mileage that allows you to run as fast as you can at the end of races. Otherwise the best 400 runners would also be the best at all the longer distances as well. Most people cannot run 51 seconds for 400 meters and fewer can do it at the end of a distance race. But if you're exhausted and staggering you're not running 51 no matter how much speed you have.

How many Lydiard athletes could REALLY kick at the finish?

Most of them, but they often didn't need to.

TruthSayer wrote:

Did the Beijing WC prove that Arthur Lydiard method is outdated?

No.

PS,

Where did you get the idea that working on speed is not part of Lydiard's method?

TruthSayer wrote:

All the aerobic mileage in the world can't help you run that 51 second 400m that Kiprop dropped.

I read this and literally injured myself laughing so hard.

HRE wrote:

Most of them, but they often didn't need to.

lol No Lydiard athlete kicked like a modern runner.

Snell did. Most modern runners are not Kiprop.

TruthSayer wrote:

Even if Jenny Simpson's shoe had been left on she would have gotten destroyed in the last 800m. She trains more aerobically than most.

All the aerobic mileage in the world can't help you run that 51 second 400m that Kiprop dropped.

It's speed and lots of it that is proving to be the difference maker. Centrowitz found that out in the last 300m when a whole host of athletes blew by him. Tempo runs after a race ain't helping you here, son.

You obviously have no concept of basic Exercise Physiology principles. Read up on the "Size Principle". You first recruit slow twitch fibers. If you work them long enough to tire them, then you start to recruit fast twitch fibers. Hence, the believe in "LSD" training and how it develops speed too. Take it a step further- do some LSD training (2+ hrs) and then sprint at the end (or progression run/tempo effort).

HRE wrote:

Snell did. Most modern runners are not Kiprop.

Not in a fast race. Most modern runners would blow the doors off Snell in a 1500.

We'll never know. You cannot make valid comparisons between athletes from different eras. Anyway, it's a pointless debate and you are not going to be able to hit your top speed at the end of a hard race if you're not very aerobically fit.

HRE wrote:

We'll never know. You cannot make valid comparisons between athletes from different eras. Anyway, it's a pointless debate and you are not going to be able to hit your top speed at the end of a hard race if you're not very aerobically fit.

What we do know is that the Lydiardites of today get their doors blown off.

the Africans are not doing LSD followed by hill phase followed by few weeks of sprints. People like Dibaba must be doing intervals year round. But to the point..the US athletes' lack of speed is being exposed. Even 3.32 man Jager was taken to the woodshed. The Africans always have the answer. Maybe Peter Coe was right after all?

TruthSayer wrote:

the Africans are not doing LSD followed by hill phase followed by few weeks of sprints. People like Dibaba must be doing intervals year round. But to the point..the US athletes' lack of speed is being exposed. Even 3.32 man Jager was taken to the woodshed. The Africans always have the answer. Maybe Peter Coe was right after all?

Africans are doing high mileage AND speed, moron.

Every single runner's training today is either Lydiard or a mostly similar variation of it.

To whoever said Lydiard athletes can't kick, what an idiot.

Didn't Peter Snell run the last 220y of his 3:54 WR in 24.5 seconds... on a dirt track. Sure, most runners today would blow the doors off Snell. Keep telling yourself that.

Dreamer, you know you are a.. wrote:

HRE wrote:

We'll never know. You cannot make valid comparisons between athletes from different eras. Anyway, it's a pointless debate and you are not going to be able to hit your top speed at the end of a hard race if you're not very aerobically fit.

What we do know is that the Lydiardites of today get their doors blown off.

As did the non-lydiardites (Rowbury, Centrowitz, Willis, Andrews, etc).

The only conclusion you can draw is that the Africans are better, not that any one training system is better than another.

logician wrote:

Dreamer, you know you are a.. wrote:

What we do know is that the Lydiardites of today get their doors blown off.

As did the non-lydiardites (Rowbury, Centrowitz, Willis, Andrews, etc).

The only conclusion you can draw is that the Africans are better, not that any one training system is better than another.

Yep, this. It proves that coaches are mostly irrelevant and talent always trumps gimmicky coaching