Mo loves to take the opportunity to clear his name.
Except, no-one ever doubted his blood values. There were plenty other forms of doping directly associated with his coach and docs.
A professional blood doper would be fine to publish their blood values, because if done properly, it doesn't show much odd. Blood tests don't measure natural vs actual VOLUME of blood anyway.
Those with bad values didn't take the doping seriously.
Mo is happy to make it seem in the public eye aas though blood doping is the only way of doping. Clear yourself of that, no-one can touch you. Guess again. This is not going to make problems go away for your beloved son-doping coach or yourself for that matter.
Notably, Paula decided not to release her data? Epo cheats out!
I was clicking through each athletes' graph and then just burst out laughing when I switched to Abderrahim Goumri. The non-suspicious results are straight lines or small mole hills. Goumri's is a freaking roller coaster.
Data only goes to 2012, need dates for Farahs tests
Why is 'only' going to 2012 particularly bad? To be fair, the 2006 to 2012 period covers exactly the time he went from being not that good to exceptional.
Mo Schmo wrote:
A professional blood doper would be fine to publish their blood values, because if done properly, it doesn't show much odd. Blood tests don't measure natural vs actual VOLUME of blood anyway.
Those with bad values didn't take the doping seriously.
What you are saying makes no sense! Look at the graphs of the athletes who professionally cheated. They look very different to Mo's graph.
- He's never been accuse of cheating by a coach, journalist or a fellow athlete? Check
- He's never failed a drug test? Check
- He's blood levels (all 20 of them) between 2005 and 2012 all come out as normal? Check
- His times are nowhere near the Top 10 in the 5k or 10k? Check
Quite amusing that people still accuse him of doping. The blood level in particular is a massive indication that he's not, especially for a distance runner. As said by someone else, the fact that it covers the period between when he was bang average to becoming European, World and Olympic champion suggests that he is clean. Mo Farah is simply the greatest tactical distance racer of all time, blessed with an all-mighty kick. A kick that could be run out of him if the Kenyans and Ethiopians had the balls to take the race to him over the last 4 years.
Give it up folks, he's clean.
Mo's graph looks like something in between the banned athletes and the others. Seems like he got his micro dosing scheme well adjusted.
bobgob wrote:
Give it up folks, he's clean.
I think Farah (along with Salazar and Rupp) are guilty, but I've never thought they were straight up blood doping or on EPO (unless it's micro-dosing). I've always said that Salazar and crew are using the "grey area" stuff like thyroid medicine, inhalers, androgel (?) and other TUE type things. Stuff that is illegal without a doctors note or at least should be illegal and is breaking the "spirit of the rules".
This blood graph does nothing to dissuade me of that. Jeez, it doesn't even show if an athlete is on steroids, it's only for blood doping. So this doesn't prove someone's 100% clean.
In Farah's/Rupp's defense, they're cleaner than the Russians/Moroccan's who are all-out cheating rather than dealing in the "grey" area. This graph puts that in perspective.
Mo came from being nowhere on the world stage o be completely dominant in 2011. At the age of 28.
The test data only goes to 2012. So for at least 70% of the time for which they have results, Farah was an also ran.
I'm pretty confident he wasn't doping when he was getting eliminated in the first round in Beijing
Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas.
When you align yourself with NOP you should expect what you get.
Hmmm, join this group and almost immediately drop huge chunks of time in your races. What do they do different? Add :30 rest between intervals? When the coach has ties to Balco, visits EPO doctors, gets TUE's for the athletes, coached a convicted PED athlete, ran for Athletics West when they were drugging the group, brags about exploring gray areas,................
Never finished higher than 6th in a world final before the age of 28
Check
An Olympic and world champion at 10000m who's simultaneously the 8th fastest man in history over 1500m . Faster than a whole host of 1500m specialists from the EPO free-for-all era of the mid to late 90s.
Check
I have never been so amused by a thread on here as I am now. Random people from the internet are suddenly expert haemotologists and furthermore can even tell when someone has been microdosing, when the specialists can't. Too funny.
You are all slaves to sensationalist media. This thread is a joke.
Laughable nonsense wrote:
I have never been so amused by a thread on here as I am now. Random people from the internet are suddenly expert haemotologists and furthermore can even tell when someone has been microdosing, when the specialists can't. Too funny.
You are all slaves to sensationalist media. This thread is a joke.
+1...
And what's more, who's to say Mo couldn't run low 12:40s and mid 26:20s?
It seems quite reasonable to me. While I think there is little evidence to support Mo as a doper, suggesting he is not ultra fit and just a great tactician is nonsense.
Perhaps it seems as such because others have to be relatively clean come global championships, giving him an edge in the final laps (where as other competitions aren't as stringent...)? Who knows. I certainly don't, and neither does anyone here.
In all - there is no evidence Mo is doped, and there is evidence he could run extremely fast (3:28, 8:01-2(?), jogs low 7:30, hasn't lost a 10k since 2011, 59:30, etc...). Without concrete info, Mo is moving into close-to-GOAT-contention, especially if he throws down in a fast 5k.
2 out of 7 isnt exactly wrote:
Mo came from being nowhere on the world stage o be completely dominant in 2011. At the age of 28.
The test data only goes to 2012. So for at least 70% of the time for which they have results, Farah was an also ran.
I'm pretty confident he wasn't doping when he was getting eliminated in the first round in Beijing
But it includes the period in which he goes from also-ran to best in the world? Isn't that what you need in order to prove the jump was from blood doping?
That said, I've also seen the documentary where the journo takes EPO and doesn't fall foul of the bio-passport, so who knows?
Mo Schmo wrote:
Mo loves to take the opportunity to clear his name.
Except, no-one ever doubted his blood values. There were plenty other forms of doping directly associated with his coach and docs.
A professional blood doper would be fine to publish their blood values, because if done properly, it doesn't show much odd. Blood tests don't measure natural vs actual VOLUME of blood anyway.
Those with bad values didn't take the doping seriously.
Mo is happy to make it seem in the public eye aas though blood doping is the only way of doping. Clear yourself of that, no-one can touch you. Guess again. This is not going to make problems go away for your beloved son-doping coach or yourself for that matter.
So we're meant to believe Mo is a doper because you say he is, with no evidence, no witnesses and no practical way of ever proving it.
When will the Sunday Times contact USA athletes to do the same?
USA medalists at World Champs & Olympics (2001-2015)
Meb, Deena, Goucher, Shalene, Rupp, Manzano, Simpson, etc..& all the sprinters.
The point is, if the majority of those tests are from a period in which nobody has suspicions about him, then its not surprising that they don't look suspicious
2 out of 7 isnt exactly wrote:
Mo came from being nowhere on the world stage o be completely dominant in 2011. At the age of 28.
This isn't as true as some posters on these boards seem to want to believe. Farah wasn't winning medals, but he was up there with the big guys from as early as 2006 (age 23). He just couldn't kick. He also wasn't as strong tactically--he'd lead large chunks of (fast) mid-race portions, exhausting himself (I assume) doing so, and even though was almost always still there with a lap to go, he couldn't close in the 53s that the other guys were doing. That in part is why there's that blip from the Beijing 5k--the qualifying times of that prelim were 13:46.4 - 13:48.8. It was a sit and kick prelim, and he couldn't kick like the other guys. He was only 2 seconds of qualifying.
Similar story in 2007 Osaka 5k final. Farah placed 6th, but was less than two seconds off Lagat, who won gold. I don't see how you can consider that "nowhere on the world stage."
And in the Berlin 2009 final, where he was 7th, but less than 3 seconds off a guy by the name of Keninesa Bekele. And Bekele closed in a 52. Farah's kick was already improving here--he closed in 54/55 off a much faster pace than his previous sit and kick races.
In 2011 he improved his PRs slightly (12:53 for 5k--I don't know what his previous 10k PR was, but his late 2010 26:47 seems fairly normal for a 12:53 guy). He further improved his ability to kick this year, from being able to close in a 54//55 to a 52/53. Again, not any kind of flag--he'd been improving his closing speed by ~1s per year. He was closing in 56s in Osaka and Beijing, 54s in Berlin (off a faster pace), and now, with a new program that was focused far more heavily on developing closing speed and changing gears late-race, he was closing in 53s. In fact, that's exactly what happened in Daegu: he closed in a 53, off a slightly slower pace than his 54/55 close in Berlin.
Get this: that progression isn't abnormal. I mean, it's superhuman--all the top guys at the world level are--but unless you're going to say that the winner of EVERY elite level race is suspicious purely on account of them winning, Farah's progression from 2006 - 2011 is not suspect at all.
The only possible later blips (2011 - 2015) might be the 3:28s at Monaco, but even those aren't THAT absurd when you consider the context. Both times he got pulled, both times on the Monaco track, both times with a good pacing job. Incredible times, but how many other 3:28 guys have had the luxury of being in races like that?
Again, Farah's placings might give the appearance of a transition from also-ran --> top world level. But if you look at the times, he was pretty consistently improving his closing speed and 5k/10k PRs every single year from 2006 - 2011.