what should a sophomore be able to run in a 3200(the same season) and a 5k xc race(junior year) if he runs a sub 4:30 1600?
what should a sophomore be able to run in a 3200(the same season) and a 5k xc race(junior year) if he runs a sub 4:30 1600?
I'd say a great 3200 time with a sub 4:30 16 would be around 9:30-9:35. With good training/staying healthy over the summer, I'd say you might be able to break 16, but it will take work. 16:2xs seems very achievable. But as for the sub 4:30, that's definitely top 10 percent of sophomores in most states.
There was a thread about this last week no?
What "should they be able to do? Depends on the runner. My kid this season ran 1:59, 4:32, 52 point in the 400 but could only manage a 10:26. XC for a hilly three miles was 17 low. Obviously he's a mid-D guy.
How good is it? That would take 5th place in our fresh-soph division at league. So it's good but not great.
The Animal Within wrote:
There was a thread about this last week no?
What "should they be able to do? Depends on the runner. My kid this season ran 1:59, 4:32, 52 point in the 400 but could only manage a 10:26. XC for a hilly three miles was 17 low. Obviously he's a mid-D guy.
How good is it? That would take 5th place in our fresh-soph division at league. So it's good but not great.
Uhh the only place where sub 4:30 for a sophomore is "good but not great" is in the fastest leagues of Southern California. Anywhere else and this guy is killing it.
Washington gets 4:30 sophomores all the time as well. About 5 in the state every year.
So cal wrote:
The Animal Within wrote:There was a thread about this last week no?
What "should they be able to do? Depends on the runner. My kid this season ran 1:59, 4:32, 52 point in the 400 but could only manage a 10:26. XC for a hilly three miles was 17 low. Obviously he's a mid-D guy.
How good is it? That would take 5th place in our fresh-soph division at league. So it's good but not great.
Uhh the only place where sub 4:30 for a sophomore is "good but not great" is in the fastest leagues of Southern California. Anywhere else and this guy is killing it.
Or Minnesota...
5 in the state every year is not anywhere close to 10%. So, even in one of the best states in the country, sub 4:30 for 1600m as a sophomore puts you in the top 1%.
Its very good for your age
6th place in our league championship in the frosh soph division was 4:32 in our league of 8 schools (2 freshman and 4 sophomores). 8 ran that or faster throughout the year. This is in Northern California.
So thus why I said its good, but not great.
According to athletic.net, which can be unreliable at times but it is accurate enough for this situation, 4:29.94 is the last sophomore under 4:30 in the country. Ranked #297 out of over 55,000. So sub 4:30 for a high school sophomore puts you into the top 1/2 of a percent in the country. Pretty legit.
What, as soon as somebody brings a rational response into the conversation the thread dies? Yay letsrun.
Fastt wrote:
According to athletic.net, which can be unreliable at times but it is accurate enough for this situation, 4:29.94 is the last sophomore under 4:30 in the country. Ranked #297 out of over 55,000. So sub 4:30 for a high school sophomore puts you into the top 1/2 of a percent in the country. Pretty legit.
where would 4:24 rank one?
(and ur last comment was very true about rational comment often = thread ender)
It's about the equivalent of a sub-4:30 1600m for a high school sophomore.
The Animal Within wrote:
6th place in our league championship in the frosh soph division was 4:32 in our league of 8 schools (2 freshman and 4 sophomores). 8 ran that or faster throughout the year. This is in Northern California.
So thus why I said its good, but not great.
You're flat out wrong: sub 4:30 for a sophomore is great.
You're talking about WCAL, right? I can't think of any other league in NorCal that would have times you described. WCAL frosh/soph times are inflated by Bellarmine Prep, which had 5 underclassman sub 4:32 this year, and is an odd school out in NorCal track. They're a sports-heavy school with a male enrollment more analogous to the enormous SoCal schools than the ~1800 kid NorCal schools, and they're one of the deepest teams in California--probably in the US.
The top WCAL frosh guys would be top varsity guys at all but a handful of other schools. It's disingenuous to imply that, because a sub 4:30 sophomore wouldn't have won your league's Frosh/Soph, he isn't not excellent--WCAL is not a normal league on the guys side, pretty much entirely because of Bellarmine.
OP: Under 4:30 as a sophomore makes you one of the strongest sophomores in the US. Obviously not THE strongest--you know that--but it means you've got some talent going for you, and it is an excellent time.
he is not excellent*
OP, I ran 4:30 as a sophomore and then stagnated for the rest of high school. I realized later it was because my training sucked. I got better once I was able to coach myself.
Here is my advice: work on your weaknesses.
If you're more of a middle distance guy, you're gonna have to suck it up and train like a 5k guy. More mileage, longer long runs, workouts that emphasize stamina. You'll still get plenty of opportunities to race short stuff on the track, so don't worry about that. But you'll need to actively work on what you are not good at and/or don't like, and you'll need to do it basically from now until like April, so that's like 8-9 months.
Will it suck? A little. But then in May & June when you finally get to focus on the middle distances, oh man, you're gonna be unstoppable.
If your strength is longer distances, same thing, you need to make a concerted effort to work on your speed.
Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:
Fastt wrote:According to athletic.net, which can be unreliable at times but it is accurate enough for this situation, 4:29.94 is the last sophomore under 4:30 in the country. Ranked #297 out of over 55,000. So sub 4:30 for a high school sophomore puts you into the top 1/2 of a percent in the country. Pretty legit.
where would 4:24 rank one?
(and ur last comment was very true about rational comment often = thread ender)
Depending on where you fall between 4:24.00 to 4:24.99 it will put you at 83rd-112th in the country.
In MN in 1987, I was the 3rd fastest sophomore miler on my team with a 4:27, but I had better endurance than the other two 10th graders. I ran 9:41 in the 3200, but had run 15:50s for XC 5k the previous fall. The other two guys were 1:58 800 guys at the time, and neither had run faster than 16:30 for 5k in XC the previous fall.
I'd say that a sub 4:30 as a sophomore is a sign of modest talent and potentially better. All three of the 10th graders on my team (including me) had big break throughs as juniors. I'd say that this was because the 4:23-4:27 miles we ran encouraged us to start training more to utilize what talent we had.
depends. what's his 400 time?
---- probably sub 9:50 and sub 16:15 ish
Where's he running?
Like many mentioned, 430 wouldn't be great in Cali but maybe good elsewhere. Here in Colorado it would be top 10, but most elite high school runners couldn't touch 430 at 8000 ft.meets.
----Or even at 5000 ft in Denver.