Big development: US and UK anti doping have asked for WADA to ban synthetic thyroid meds!!!

What does that change? Only that you would need a TUE?

skeptic. wrote:

What does that change? Only that you would need a TUE?

Yes

cool kid wrote:

skeptic. wrote:

What does that change? Only that you would need a TUE?

Yes

Ok. No problems then. I'll take care of that.

So, assuming this is approved- what does this mean for athletes like Kara Goucher? If we are to believe her self-report, she is diagnosed with Hashimoto's disease and therefore requires thyroid medication, else face a number of negative health outcomes.

Here is a picture of the article that prominently features a photo of Alberto and Rupp in it.

https://twitter.com/letsrundotcom/status/618813269097234432

I prefer they discontinue the TUE process. A substance should be legal or illegal. What is illegal for one person should be illegal for everybody. If somebody needs thyroid meds then they should not be competing in professional sports. They should not be given a TUE to level the playing field.

So if you just need a TUE then how does this change things? What is required for a TUE? Just a doctor's note? If so, wouldn't the same doctor prescribing these drugs needlessly, just write you a note?

So a diabetic shouldn't be allowed insulin, effectively eliminating a sports career? Not as easy a question as it might seem, hence the "grey area". I think TUEs should be allowed but made public record.

Dr. Brown is obviously the NOP go to guy. I wonder if an independent doctor would diagnose the same athletes with hypothyroidism.

I wouldn't exactly trust Dr. Brown's diagnosis when issuing TUE's.

Hey Letsrun.com way to delete any post that calls you out. Nice way to trim off the non-tabloid fat.

He-Manocrit wrote:

So a diabetic shouldn't be allowed insulin, effectively eliminating a sports career?

My thoughts exactly! And what about hearing aids? Contact lenses? GMO food? Female perfumes that boost testosterone production in men? Blood transfusions for athletes in car accidents? Will anyone who's not a Fourth Rich natural grown vegetarian gay ubermensh and a Jehova's Witness on top of that actually be allowed to do T&A by 2020?

Letsrun is oblivious to the harmful agenda they are pushing here.

Peter Andersson wrote:

He-Manocrit wrote:

So a diabetic shouldn't be allowed insulin, effectively eliminating a sports career?

My thoughts exactly! And what about hearing aids? Contact lenses? GMO food? Female perfumes that boost testosterone production in men? Blood transfusions for athletes in car accidents? Will anyone who's not a Fourth Rich natural grown vegetarian gay ubermensh and a Jehova's Witness on top of that actually be allowed to do T&A by 2020?

Peter Andersson wrote:

He-Manocrit wrote:

So a diabetic shouldn't be allowed insulin, effectively eliminating a sports career?

My thoughts exactly! And what about hearing aids? Contact lenses? GMO food? Female perfumes that boost testosterone production in men? Blood transfusions for athletes in car accidents? Will anyone who's not a Fourth Rich natural grown vegetarian gay ubermensh and a Jehova's Witness on top of that actually be allowed to do T&A by 2020?

Are these things exercise induced?

Thought so.

I just got this email from a LRC visitor.

He wrote:

Thanks for your coverage of the Salazar/NOP.

While a ban on *synthetic* thyroid (Synthroid/Cytomel) sounds great on the surface, cheaters would only switch over to the non-synthetic sources such as porcine and/or bovine (pigs/cows). Prior to Synthroid/Cytomel - thyroid was typically supplied by Armour and Company (meat packing/processing) and sold as "Armour Thyroid", this pharmaceutical division is owned by Forest Laboratories.

Keep up the great work.

Bovine thyroid here we come, baby!!!

He-Manocrit wrote:

So a diabetic shouldn't be allowed insulin, effectively eliminating a sports career? Not as easy a question as it might seem, hence the "grey area". I think TUEs should be allowed but made public record.

Since when is insulin a performance enhancer?

bigtool05 wrote:

He-Manocrit wrote:

So a diabetic shouldn't be allowed insulin, effectively eliminating a sports career? Not as easy a question as it might seem, hence the "grey area". I think TUEs should be allowed but made public record.

Since when is insulin a performance enhancer?

Since a while now. Kelli White was on it, along with a number of other sprinters from that era.

bigtool05 wrote:

He-Manocrit wrote:

So a diabetic shouldn't be allowed insulin, effectively eliminating a sports career? Not as easy a question as it might seem, hence the "grey area". I think TUEs should be allowed but made public record.

Since when is insulin a performance enhancer?

Steve Magness said in a 2006 post that abuse of insulin medication would lead to an increase in performance, but that thyroid medication abuse could not.

Okay, so if thyroid hormones are banned, it sounds like the loophole is getting a TUE.

I just googled and found this:

http://www.usatf.org/usatf/files/Standard-TUE.pdf

It looks like this would mean that athletes' doctors would have to provide laboratory tests supporting the diagnosis.

With endocrinologists not on the same page regarding what "normal" levels of thyroid hormones are, what standards will WADA and/or USADA require?

I'm just trying to determine if this proposal is bringing actual improvements or just more red tape (that wastes USADA and WADA's time) that is fairly easy for athletes to manipulate.

bigtool05 wrote:

Since when is insulin a performance enhancer?

It's not to people who have enough. But for people who don't make enough, it allows them to lead a normal life. This is the same for thyroid meds. If you have enough it's not a performance enhancer but if you are clinically low, it allows you to live normally.