Are we seeing the true Bolt, finally.. naturally?
Obviously Gatlin is on something and it's working incredibly well, but what about Bolt? Suddenly the guy is an absolute shadow of himself and he seems to be going into hiding. Will this be a similar case to before, where Bolt was in terrible form, went to Germany a month out, and then dominated the finals in low 9.6?? Is the legacy of Bolt about to be tarnished?
His past drug use seems pretty obvious at this point...
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Huh? Are you going to then suggest PR was a fraud?
(Is this where the Latin term for, er... an obvious conclusion to be drawn, is inserted?)
9.58? Naaaah, totally legit.
He isn't enough smart like El Guerrouj.
El G retired when EPO tests became harder. Who knows what happened with Daniel Komen, but he retired before EPO tests. Paula dissapeared after bio passport was introduced. Karlo Maaninka retired before blood testing (1985)
2008-2012 was the heyday of doping culture in Jamaica. 0 blood tests before the last 2 OG's.
Now, like Darwin said, you have to adapt to the new testing procedures, if you can't, you won't survive.
I think he's not as "fraud" as Salazar athletes (Mo and Galen) since he still has world records in junior and youth levels. He was world junior champion when he was 15. (I know, I know, Marion and Lance also were "junior marvels")
Bolt ran 20.13 with 16. And 19.93 with 17.
Mo Farah was a "b" tier at junior level (13:56 PB). He was outkicked every last lap until 2011.
Look at this video of Mo Farah running against Bekele at World Juniors (years ago) -minute 32-.
Sciatica Road wrote:
(Is this where the Latin term for, er... an obvious conclusion to be drawn, is inserted?)
Q.E.D.?
Bolt clocked an 8.80 in the Bahamas relay anchor in a null wind. His usual speed is there, just he's not.
This is the effect of being almost 30 and 6'5" and sprinting for 15 years, maybe if he was a few inches shorter, or a few years younger, or had missed 4 years. This is another sign that competing past 32 is probably unlikely for him based on his size and his deformity (back).
If you extrapolate his 4x1 anchor split and assume he's fresh for a championship 100/200 he's the same as he ever was 9.7ish/19.5ish.
Your post indicates you likely have no idea at what age Bolt was first introduced to the German doctor.
Sciatica Road wrote:
Your post indicates you likely have no idea at what age Bolt was first introduced to the German doctor.
It has nothing to do with that, buddy.
I'm on record saying that Bolt was world class even when he was 15. Forget about how he achieved the 9.58/19.19 combo.
Is he on drugs? probably. But he was phenomenal as a teenager. So, answering the topic question. Yes, he could be a fraud, but not as "fraud" as Mo Farah.
Mo Farah was a non factor before Salazar. Alberto converted Mo in -probably- the G.O.A.T in endurance avents (alongside with Kenenisa and Haile) given his versatility.
Gimme a break. 3:28 in 1500 without specific training!!!
Ben L Wrong wrote:
[quote]Sciatica Road wrote:
... he was phenomenal as a teenager.
And all I was saying was that Bolt (like PR, for all of the British Press following along) was introduced to the German doctor as a teenager.
‘… I’ve been coming here since I was 16…’ the 100m world record holder recently said at a press conference in Munich. ‘… It’s been a long relationship. Every time I have a problem, he always gives good advice and treatments. He’s the best at what he does. We are very close…’ Bolt said, adding that he also receives ‘… vitamin injections and stuff…’
http://avilian.co.uk/2012/08/13/usain-bolt-and-homeopathy/
You're right. So, yes...Bolt is as "fraud" as Mo Farah.
Ben L Wrong wrote:
‘… I’ve been coming here since I was 16…’ the 100m world record holder recently said at a press conference in Munich. ‘… It’s been a long relationship. Every time I have a problem, he always gives good advice and treatments. He’s the best at what he does. We are very close…’ Bolt said, adding that he also receives ‘… vitamin injections and stuff…’
http://avilian.co.uk/2012/08/13/usain-bolt-and-homeopathy/You're right. So, yes...Bolt is as "fraud" as Mo Farah.
Who was paying for all this back when Bolt was 16? And did Ricky Simms come into Bolt's life before or after the German doctor?
The Dark Side wrote:
Welcome to the "Users Of Occam's Razor" club.
When it comes to people, things are rarely as simple as they appear. Occam's razor is useless.
In 2008, Jamaica exploded onto the world scene, 'just' in time for the Beijing Olympics.
Drops in times were unparalleled by any other era in sprinting, aside from the Flojo days. In 2007, Shelly-Ann Fraser-Pryce's best time was 11.31 and in 2008 it was 10.78. Usain Bolt's best in 2007 was 10.03; in 2008 it was 9.69. In the 200m Beijing final, Veronica Campbell easily schooled Allyson Felix. Yet somehow Campbell was only 4th in the Jamaican trials 100m that year despite running 10.88!!
The Jamaicans were suddenly back in action, and in a big way. It was the first time in 20 years that they had swept the 100/200 for both men and women. And we all know what happened at London... by the end of the summer, the Jamaican men had the 5 top fastest times in the world!
I'm sorry, you can talk about new technologies, methodologies, supplementation and equipment improvements--but these alone do not explain the drop in times. This isn't a grey area improvement. It's black and white. Jamaica was using a bevy of performance enhancing drugs and if you don't believe it, you're not paying attention.
Go on Youtube and watch Jamaicans get dusted by various nations in the relays and watch their runners look skinny and natty as they term it in bodybuilding. Then watch an idiot like the monster have problems combing his hair and not pulling his hamstrings....
Stop the drug allegations Bolt admitted he experimented with marijuana 1 time, did not lite it and did not inhale.
He is just injured, if he gets healthy, Gatlin, Degrasse, Powell, Miguel Francis will all be running for silver, this is Bolt's time to be the face of track and he will be the face of track for the next 10-12 years, in spite of how bad he is doing by his standards, he is undefeated this year and he was undefeated last year.
Before he got injured he said he wanted to run under 9.40 for the 100 and under 19 for the 200 and he would not say that if his workouts were not indicating he was capable of it, I think it was Willie Banks who said if he could coach Bolt in the long jump he could jump over 30 feet, Bolt is a rare talent.
Hi Glen Mills!
If he has an endocrinologist, then yes. He is a fraud just like carl lewis.
douglas burke wrote:
Stop the drug allegations Bolt admitted he experimented with marijuana 1 time, did not like it and did not inhale.
He is just injured, if he gets healthy, Gatlin, Degrasse, Powell, Miguel Francis will all be running for silver, this is Bolt's time to be the face of track and he will be the face of track for the next 10-12 years, in spite of how bad he is doing by his standards, he is undefeated this year and he was undefeated last year.
Before he got injured he said he wanted to run under 9.40 for the 100 and under 19 for the 200 and he would not say that if his workouts were not indicating he was capable of it, I think it was Willie Banks who said if he could coach Bolt in the long jump he could jump over 30 feet, Bolt is a rare talent.