SMOKED by two domestics: how can 3:50/26:48 guy RUPP be so USELESS at the 5,000 (is the answer DRUGS?)

Rupp has broken 13

True has run 13:02 and is probably capable of better. He's beaten Sambu (26:54) twice this season already.

Hill trains with the most talented group in the country. Jager just ran 3:32. I would bet Hill might be capable of something close to that.

Cause he had a bad day

He got taken down

His allergy medicine will turn it around

He say he don't know

He tell me don't lie

He work at a smile but he lost some pride

He had a bad day

He say he don't mind

He got taken down but he qualified

He had a bad day

He had a bad day

Did you watch the race? Rupp did all the work when the pace finally got serious. He tried to stretch out the pack and keep from having to out kick True, who showed a world class kick at the NY Grand Prix. It didn't work. True and Hill stayed with Rupp and used him to sling shot to the finish line.

Rupp has always had issues with getting tied up trying to kick on a 5k race. He is too much of a rhythm runner and has a hard time with a big kick.

Incredible race by Ryan Hill, glad to see he has taken his running to another level this year. Hopefully he can get in a race that goes 13 flat pace this season to see what he can really day.

As much as I like to see Rupp lose I was glad he made a creditable effort by helping to push the last few laps instead of leaving it to the last 300m. He didn't quite have it today but I'm not sure he could have even won if the pace would have been fast, Hill and True just seem flat out better at 5k right now.

I didn't know those guys were working cleaning jobs.

He made the team. That was the goal.

Drugs certainly didn't help Komen run 12:39, I guess.

Drugs didn't help El G win an Olmpic 5000 Gold, either.

rupp-certified saldbar wrote:

How can a guy with those abilities POSSIBLY lose a 5,000 to the guys that beat him?

By definition, everyone loses to the people who beat them.

While I agree he's a rhythm runner, this guy also kicked 54 low in the Olympic 10k at 273x.

That's running 1345 twice. And he finished it off with 54 or whatever.

This race was slower than his second 5k in the Olympics, right? (seriously though, check my facts, I'm pulling this from memory)

nobody's mentioned the obvious factor present...hill didn't just run a 10k. i know that true ran it too and probably put in more effort than rupp, but everyone else was fresh.

also, whoever made that "bad day" parody is brilliant

tru truuuuuuu wrote:

While I agree he's a rhythm runner, this guy also kicked 54 low in the Olympic 10k at 273x.

That's running 1345 twice. And he finished it off with 54 or whatever.

This race was slower than his second 5k in the Olympics, right? (seriously though, check my facts, I'm pulling this from memory)

1:54.3 last 800m for Rupp, his PR is 1:50.00, he may have been able to do a 53.x last lap (off a faster last 5k in 10k race), but not off such a fast last 800, so 55.x was the best he could do.

Also, wasn't fresh for this race and you can't expect someone to be as sharp for USAs as for the Olympic/WC finals.

What would Rupp's 6 mile tempo pace be? As a 264x 10k runner? No matter what his last 1200 was of that 10k, running 28something should be chump change for him.

adfadf wrote:

True has run 13:02 and is probably capable of better. He's beaten Sambu (26:54) twice this season already.

Hill trains with the most talented group in the country. Jager just ran 3:32. I would bet Hill might be capable of something close to that.

Remember only Rupp/Salazar/Mo/Centro are dirty, not the Gouchers (Kara- all PRs and medal under supposedly dirty program) and Schumacher (the guy hand picked to take over NOP at one point if Salazar passed) and especially not True.

Rupp wins 10k over True. -Rojo says give me some of whatever Rupp is on!

Rupp loses 5k to True - Rojo says Rupp couldn't get an IV drip, he might've won this one.

rupp-certified saldbar wrote:

My theory is that the 1500/mile and the 10,000 are both very "dopeable" distances, with huge benefits from EPO in the 1500 and thyroid boosting in the 10,000.

Because the 5,000 falls in no-man's land between these benefits, it is harder to get the benefit with these drugs. EPO doesn't cut it, neither does thyroid boosting. True TALENT and WORK are the main elements for success in this UNDOPEABLE distance.

I'm hoping that this is a mediocre troll... 3/10

Claiming that the 5k and the 10k aren't massively boosted by EPO/Blood doping is the stupidest doping related thing I have read on this board.

HE RAN THE 10,000! Same with Estrada's 14:07. Unless you've ran a 10,000 in 80 degree heat and then come back a couple days later and ran a 5,000 in 90 degree heat it's hard to understand how miserable you feel on the starting line of the 5k.

The exception, of course, was True. He obviously recovered more quickly.

One of the main benefits of EPO is it allows the body to recover more quickly. The quicker you recover, the more often you're able to train with higher intensity and the faster you become. Instead of 2 high-intensity sessions per week, now you can do 4. And you're training runs are now at a higher level as well.

EPO doesn't just make you faster - it allows you to recover more quickly to train more often to become faster.

maxpower wrote:

HE RAN THE 10,000! Same with Estrada's 14:07. Unless you've ran a 10,000 in 80 degree heat and then come back a couple days later and ran a 5,000 in 90 degree heat it's hard to understand how miserable you feel on the starting line of the 5k.

The exception, of course, was True. He obviously recovered more quickly.

One of the main benefits of EPO is it allows the body to recover more quickly. The quicker you recover, the more often you're able to train with higher intensity and the faster you become. Instead of 2 high-intensity sessions per week, now you can do 4. And you're training runs are now at a higher level as well.

EPO doesn't just make you faster - it allows you to recover more quickly to train more often to become faster.

Just talent, Rupp must have been on less drugs than when they raced the 10k, True couldn't be drugs even though he has become as good as Rupp who was doping since highschool. Every other white guy to go sub-13 and sub-27 has been NOP (Salazar or Schumacher branch), but here comes True knocking on those doors with pure unquestionable talent.

cmon mang wrote:

Rupp has broken 13

And lost while doing that.

Salazar's program:

"Special Tweaks" that allow speedy kicking

"Special Tweaks" that allow running forever

NO "Special Tweaks" figured out that allow siting at a fast 5k pace without draining the speedy kicking

D Pouter wrote:

Cause he had a bad day

He got taken down

His allergy medicine will turn it around

He say he don't know

He tell me don't lie

He work at a smile but he lost some pride

He had a bad day

He say he don't mind

He got taken down but he qualified

He had a bad day

He had a bad day

Probably the best thing I will read all day