Andrew Hunter is plain BETTER than Fisher

The amount people on this messageboard care about 17 year old kids is frightening. Why does this need to be discussed to death, let their careers play out.

Webb ended up being a beast even though he couldn't medal. Ritz had a great career, Hall ran 2:06 (and obviously 2:04). German seems burned out and done. Verzbicas turned to what he thought were greener pastures. Who the hell cares now? Wait the two or three years, see if they can hang with the big boys, and talk about them when they can.

It will be interesting to see how Drew deals with being a favorite next year.

He didn't close on Grant at all in the Dream Mile, who frankly looked fairly comfortable (check finish line pics) down the homestretch. He appears to be trying much harder than Grant. That's not a dig, just a comment on his form I suppose. And I'm thinking Hunter has logged far more miles than Fisher by the end of their respective junior years.

Grant has run 5 mile efforts this year that are currently faster than Hunter's Dream Mile effort:

1) indoor nats projection if he doesn't trip on the rail was 4:01.xx,

2) Cardinal 1500m at 3:42.8,

3) MI state Meet 1600m in 4:00.28,

4) Festival of Miles 3:59.38,

5) Dream Mile at 4:01.7).

Plus his junior Dream Mile performance of 4:02.02, though it's debatable whether Hunter could have gone faster without getting tangled up with Brannigan. Oddly though, he got tangled from being beaten to the spot by Brannigan, so shared responsibility really.

So is Hunter an absolute beast? Yes. More upside that Grant at this point? Debatable.

He won a kick by 1 second. If Fisher had won by 1 second, would you have started this thread? Nope. I think it's a good thing he won though. It's not good to win all the time (for development), especially with the same tactic. Grant probably underestimated Hunter, and Hunter is hungry. Not a good combo for Grant.

And boy did Grant make FLN look so easy over Hunter and Co. in December.

Grant is 18, Hunter is 17.

show me where fisher ran 4:02 as junior after tripping up??

show me where fisher ran 8:42 as junior beating two-time footlocker champion with sub-4 mile speed?

Hunter runs ~50 mpw tops.

Fisher was playing soccer and running, so he was racking up unofficial mileage too. Hunter doesnt even have indoor season.

Hunter doesn't have fisher's robotic form but he's got strength. he's also physically bigger but still has baby face. watch out

Actually, Hunter runs about 65 miles per week on average, this school year. More than Grant, but very low volume of speed work. He is trained for strength. But his speed is coming along nicely regardless. His form is steadily improving if you look back at video from last year and even from FootLocker.

side by side wrote:

Grant is 18, Hunter is 17.

show me where fisher ran 4:02 as junior after tripping up??

show me where fisher ran 8:42 as junior beating two-time footlocker champion with sub-4 mile speed?

Hunter runs ~50 mpw tops.

Fisher was playing soccer and running, so he was racking up unofficial mileage too. Hunter doesnt even have indoor season.

Hunter doesn't have fisher's robotic form but he's got strength. he's also physically bigger but still has baby face. watch out

Wait until they grow up.

That is all

Are you seriously calling that a trip? While battling Brannigan, but still clearly in 3rd place, Drew slowed down and jumped out to lane 2. He flailed a bit. Hardly missed a beat, and finished great. "Trips" typically almost result in a fall and complete loss of momentum (see: Grant at indoor nats...where he STILL ran 4:03 solo).Hunter certainly exceeds 65 mpw, as others have stated.And what does a face have to do with running? The kid is physically above average. And yes, he'll be great next year.With your indoor comment- are you implying it's a good thing to have an indoor season for a distance runner? I know a lot of guys who would love to have skipped that made-up BS.So nearly everything you say is wrong. Have fun bugging everyone tomorrow with your terrible opinions.

side by side wrote:

Grant is 18, Hunter is 17.

show me where fisher ran 4:02 as junior after tripping up??

show me where fisher ran 8:42 as junior beating two-time footlocker champion with sub-4 mile speed?

Hunter runs ~50 mpw tops.

Fisher was playing soccer and running, so he was racking up unofficial mileage too. Hunter doesnt even have indoor season.

Hunter doesn't have fisher's robotic form but he's got strength. he's also physically bigger but still has baby face. watch out

wait and see! wrote:

In Fisher's favor, he takes Hunter hands down right now in xc, and his ability to go unbeaten for 2 years is amazing. But Hunter is going to elevate next year. Watch out for a beastly xc.

Xc was more than 6 months ago.

Actually, Mikey did cut in a little too close in the Dream Mile. However, if Drew had held him off and not allowed him to pass, there would have been no stumble. Clearly he learned the lesson and applied it in the Brooks PR 2 mile.

Drew does indeed run about 65 miles a week, not more. 55 as a soph, 65 this year.

(I actually meant to write that he certainly exceeds the previous poster's claim of no more than "...50 mpw".)Grant didn't run 55 as a soph, or 65 as a junior. He *might* have hit those figures this year.The best thing about Drew's performances these last couple weeks is that it IS THE TIME to be running your best. That is what Grant has taught everyone over the last 2 years: mid-season records and time trials mean nothing if you can't do it at the championship meets. Drew is running like an animal. In my opinion he is showing more hunger than Fisher in the last couple races.

Drew's mom :-) wrote:

Actually, Mikey did cut in a little too close in the Dream Mile. However, if Drew had held him off and not allowed him to pass, there would have been no stumble. Clearly he learned the lesson and applied it in the Brooks PR 2 mile.

Drew does indeed run about 65 miles a week, not more. 55 as a soph, 65 this year.

Drew's mom :-) wrote:

Actually, Mikey did cut in a little too close in the Dream Mile. However, if Drew had held him off and not allowed him to pass, there would have been no stumble. Clearly he learned the lesson and applied it in the Brooks PR 2 mile.

Drew does indeed run about 65 miles a week, not more. 55 as a soph, 65 this year.

Cool, thanks for posting. :)

Hunter will be 18 September 5 and actually could be a senior.

Not a big deal but since you bring age into discussion it needs to be clarified.

We get it - you love Hunter.

I would say there is a lot of talent in US HS track and field and we should be happy about that.

Baconn wrote:

The amount people on this messageboard care about 17 year old kids is frightening. Why does this need to be discussed to death, let their careers play out.

Sounds reasonable. Keep the chatter about active athletes, ESPECIALLY those doing fantastic things at a young age, to an absolute minimum or better yet scrap it entirely. Speculation should be limited to athletes who have either retired or died in their prime.

On the other hand: Retard. RETARD. RETARD.RETARD!RETARD!!

wait and see! wrote:

If he hadn't been tripped by Brannigan he would've beaten Fisher in the Dream Mile. Notice how he closed.

Patently false, which ruins the credibility of anything else you posted.

At the end of the day, I agree with the others that are just excited to have these young prospects excelling. Wishing them both the best, Salazar-free careers.

george oscar bluth wrote:

Patently false, which ruins the credibility of anything else you posted.

fisher lost to a guy who is better. hunter knows that he would have won the dream mile if he hadn't been cut off by the autistic kid. these are facts

Fisher beat Hunter last week, is 2X Footlocker Champ & a sub-4:00 miler. First loss in who knows how long, while racing the best- And a thread's started bashing him.

Maybe you should praise both, or at least praise Hunter w/o bashing Fisher- who's still easily the best.

He definitely would have won the Dream Mile......if he was just able to run faster than Brannigan through the turn (which he wasn't able to do) so he wouldn't have had to leap behind him...AND then actually run faster than Fisher over the last 100m (which he also wasn't able to do).

what guy wrote:

fisher lost to a guy who is better. hunter knows that he would have won the dream mile if he hadn't been cut off by the autistic kid. these are facts

What I like about Hunter is he went head to head with some quick 800m guys in state this year, ending up with a 1:52.

At this point, both guys have great upside to their careers, but if Hunter can leave HS with a sub 1:50 800m time, that's much more promising in terms of NCAA and USATF success.

ttc wrote:

Fisher beat Hunter last week, is 2X Footlocker Champ & a sub-4:00 miler. First loss in who knows how long, while racing the best- And a thread's started bashing him.

Maybe you should praise both, or at least praise Hunter w/o bashing Fisher- who's still easily the best.

Nobody has bashed Fisher, you idiot.