People over do the Prefontaine comparisons in Eugene, but we couldn't help thinking of Pre shen he said it.
Interview here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvhN7Hywt1g
Cristian Soratos: " I don't like how distance running has become a jog and sprint fest..."
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Soratos has 48 second speed on a 4x400 but he doesn't like sit and kick races. He said, "I don't like how distance running has become a jog and sprint fest. That's not really what distance running is to me. To me it's who can run as hard as they can for as long as they can and really push their limits so that's what I try and do out there."
People over do the Prefontaine comparisons in Eugene, but we couldn't help thinking of Pre shen he said it.
Interview here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvhN7Hywt1g -
I like him. Doesn't seem as strong as he was indoors though.
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I like Soratos. He has a great attitude.
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It is a shame that Salazar turned Hasay from a front runner to a sit and wait runner.
Hopefully, whoever coaches Mike Brannigan let him keep his Pre-style "go-for-it" spirit.
Distance running is much more interesting when someone goes for broke, such as Meb did at a few years ago Boston. -
I like Soratos, love the improvement he's made and really enjoy when someone seemingly comes out of nowhere.
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The kid is good for the sport.
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Like the quote, but my guess: 1st lap = 68.
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Didn't Brannigan sit on Osterberg in that fast 3200 at loucks in May? Not the first time I've seen him do it either.
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Hope he goes big and starts to transform the way this sport is heading.
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Im more excited for this race than indoors. indoors was more about wow wouldn't it be amazing if this guy beat Chez? But if we are honest it was a very long shot for anything but 2nd. This race is really open. He has a legit shot at winning, but doesn't seem quite as fast as indoors. So still excited to see a mid to small school guy win, and honestly think he has a shot!
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J.R. wrote:
I like Soratos. He has a great attitude.
Totally agree. Great kid, bad ass competitor. Love it. -
All his bravado and guts nearly got him eliminated in last night's pre lim. out in 1:56.x into a breeze, he backed up to 6th , this plus his clueless Indoor run? Not sure who is advising his tactics, but they are awful.
You do not get bonus points for running foolish efforts, whether they look courageous or not, you only get credit for wins, placings and time run. -
Trialswatcher wrote:
All his bravado and guts nearly got him eliminated in last night's pre lim. out in 1:56.x into a breeze, he backed up to 6th , this plus his clueless Indoor run? Not sure who is advising his tactics, but they are awful.
You do not get bonus points for running foolish efforts, whether they look courageous or not, you only get credit for wins, placings and time run.
What was clueless about his indoor run? I thought it was brilliant. -
Ummmmmmm wrote:
Didn't Brannigan sit on Osterberg in that fast 3200 at loucks in May? Not the first time I've seen him do it either.
Yes he did but that's irrelevant. Since ostberg was willing to push the pace to the low 8:40s with out any help, there was no need for mikey to take the lead other than the last 200m. However, like you guys saw in pre, mikey was the one that needed to push the pace, so he went to the front and did that. Both races ended in pr times that stand up as some of the fastest high school times ever. The argument is that mikey resists to turn races into jog and sprint fests, and that seems to be true based off of his high school career. -
King99, you have to realize that first Cheserek's kick needed to be beaten down--it didn't work but Soratos is going to get a lot stronger as time goes on. This is his first big arrival on the scene this year and it is by experimenting with these hard moves (1:56 first 800m in a prelim!/:53 from 600-1k at indoors), that he will develop the strength to break his opponents. You don't develop the ability to stick with a Guerrouj or Lagat at the top of their games in a last 800m of 1:46 by only testing yourself in the last 200m like Salazar's boys.
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jjjjjj wrote:
You don't develop the ability to stick with a Guerrouj or Lagat at the top of their games in a last 800m of 1:46 by only testing yourself in the last 200m like Salazar's boys.
This is why Rupp is so useless in a competitive 5000. -
malmo wrote:
Trialswatcher wrote:
All his bravado and guts nearly got him eliminated in last night's pre lim. out in 1:56.x into a breeze, he backed up to 6th , this plus his clueless Indoor run? Not sure who is advising his tactics, but they are awful.
You do not get bonus points for running foolish efforts, whether they look courageous or not, you only get credit for wins, placings and time run.
What was clueless about his indoor run? I thought it was brilliant.
And you are wrong. How was that going to end in success for him? Were there not better strategies to employ than to jog 600m and then blast a 53 400m? How did that give him ANY better chance of beating Ches? -
I couldn't agree more with you guys regarding Rupp... The only way he might win a 5000 with a good field is if he goes out and does something like Bekele's last 2k in Beijing. Seeing as he never wants to lead and just thinks he can sit and kick even though he lacks the ability to close off ANY pace...
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Well he may not like it, but the goal of a race is to win the race. You don't get to cross the line 6th then claim you won because you ran even splits.
The real question is why elite athletes play right into the hands of big kickers so often. Is it ego? Laziness? Trying to place top 3 rather than go for the win? In the Olympic 5000m they ran a slow pace for 4000m then got destroyed by Farah in a sprint. If Farah could have dictated the race, he probably would have had them walk the first 4600 then sprint. Even if you are not the better runner why try strategy X with a 1% chance to win when you have strategy Y with a 10% chance? -
Number ln e wrote:
Ummmmmmm wrote:
Didn't Brannigan sit on Osterberg in that fast 3200 at loucks in May? Not the first time I've seen him do it either.
Yes he did but that's irrelevant. Since ostberg was willing to push the pace to the low 8:40s with out any help, there was no need for mikey to take the lead other than the last 200m. However, like you guys saw in pre, mikey was the one that needed to push the pace, so he went to the front and did that. Both races ended in pr times that stand up as some of the fastest high school times ever. The argument is that mikey resists to turn races into jog and sprint fests, and that seems to be true based off of his high school career.
High school races are barely ever jog and kick races. But I'm just saying I have seen Mikey sit back and let other people do the work until the end (I also saw him do it in the NYS 1600 in spring he just didn't have the best kick of the bunch) so I don't think he needs to be added to the conversation on this thread. HS kids push the pace cause they want to run fast and don't know any other way to do that. Period.
