David Epstein/Pro Publica/BBC Story: Former Team Members Accuse Famed Coach Alberto Salazar of Breaking Drug Rules

OMG is this a dream...

I think they are interesting anecdotal stories, they don't surprise me, and I've thought for some time they are not exactly operating in a manner representing the spirit of the sport. However, I don't think anything will come of it.

Investigative reporter David Epstein, who helped expose Lance Armstong, has a new story out.

Epsetin, who used to write for Sports Illustrated but now works for Pro Publica, has teamed up the BBC program Panorama and its reporter Mark Daly. The BBC will be airing a story on doping today at at 4 pm ET.

However a web version of Epstein's report is now out. We haven't read it yet but it's entitled, "Off Track: Former Team Members Accuse Famed Coach Alberto Salazar of Breaking Drug Rules"

https://www.propublica.org/article/former-team-members-accuse-coach-alberto-salazar-of-breaking-drug-rules

It looks like Magness is in the piece. Everyone read it and give us your thoughts.

LetsRun.com wrote:

Investigative reporter David Epstein, who helped expose Lance Armstong, has a new story out.

Epsetin, who used to write for Sports Illustrated but now works for Pro Publica, has teamed up the BBC program Panorama and its reporter Mark Daly. The BBC will be airing a story on doping today at at 2 pm ET.

However a web version of Epstein's report is now out. We haven't read it yet but it's entitled, "Off Track: Former Team Members Accuse Famed Coach Alberto Salazar of Breaking Drug Rules

https://www.propublica.org/article/former-team-members-accuse-coach-alberto-salazar-of-breaking-drug-rules

It looks like Magness is in the piece. Everyone read it and give us your thoughts.

Shouldn't they actually have some evidence rather some vague and unverifiable stories? Salazar might be doping his athletes but this piece certainly doesn't shed any light on it. I especially liked this quote from Kara Goucher:

"I had a conversation with Galen in 2011 in the British training camp [at the World Championships] in Daegu," she says, "and he told me how tired he was and how exhausted he was, how he was so excited to have the season be over." Three weeks later, Rupp broke the American 10K record. You don't get to the end of a long year burnt out and take two weeks off and come out and run the best race of your life," she says. "That's not how it works. You have to rest. You have to recover. You have to start all over again."

That's why you think Rupp is doping? Because of a random conversation (which may not have happened) you had?

What a bombshell. Galen testo doping in high school. Probably doing it later too as evidenced by the masseur story. Lost all hope.

Also, I expect a Ken Goe counter-story by EOD tomorrow.

I find it interesting that there isn't a single accusation of EPO or blood doping by Salazar - would someone who is cheating like these people are claiming really not use the most effective method of cheating? Why would he use less effective methods rather than the best?

Again I don't think there's is much doubt that Salazar is bending, or pushing ot the limit, of the rules. But the fact that there is no one is accusing him of administering EPO kind of limits "Salazar is a cheater" view.

IT'S HAPPENING!!!!!! IT"S HAPPENING!!!!!

Positive Contribution wrote:

IT'S HAPPENING!!!!!! IT"S HAPPENING!!!!!

Mo Farah’s training partner Galen Rupp has taken the banned anabolic steroid testosterone since he was 16 under the supervision of the pair’s coach Alberto Salazar, according to a television documentary to be screened on Wednesday night.

dsfajdl433 wrote:

What a bombshell. Galen testo doping in high school. Probably doing it later too as evidenced by the masseur story. Lost all hope.

Nothing surprised me except for the fact that Rupp appears to have been taking testosterone as a sophomore/junior in high school! Honestly it doesn't even bother me much that these guys take T3 or microdose androgel now because I believe that nearly everyone at the top of the sport is doping to some degree. Irrespective of the safety and health effects of doping, starting this regimen in high school is just another level of wrong.

The investigation into the Oregon Project - which is a BBC collaboration with US journalism organisation ProPublica - heard claims that American distance runner Rupp had been given the banned anabolic steroid testosterone in 2002, when he was 16 years old.

Steve Magness, who was Salazar's number two at the Oregon Project in 2011, said he saw a document showing Rupp's blood levels, which said the athlete was on "testosterone medication".

HOLY F****!!!!

I'm abou 2-3rds through the first piece. So many classic lines and paragraphs.

george oscar bluth wrote:

(Kara Goucher) remembers what Salazar said one night in 2011 as a group of Oregon Project runners gathered in an altitude training house in Park City, Utah, to watch "60 Minutes" as Lance Armstrong's teammate Tyler Hamilton detailed the team's doping. Salazar, she says, "was like, 'Tyler's just trying to sell books and he'll write about Lance'." Then, she says, Salazar added, "I mean, of course Lance is dirty" almost as an afterthought. But Goucher says it was clear who Salazar thought was in the wrong. "Tyler was this bad person," she says.

WTF? How is this not already 732 pages long? How is this not huge news?

When the BBC says Wednesday at 9:00, do they mean today? Is this airing in like an hour?

Who's the athlete in the video clip with the blurred out face and the actor's voice. Clearly not Adam Goucher, he shows his face in the other clip. Is it Cam Levins? Dathan Ritzenhein? Alan Webb? Who do you guys think? Let's not forget, Mo and Galen were/are clearly doping, but what about Centrowitz?

I really hope for Steve's sake, that he was right. That's kind of career suicide if he is wrong? But I must say for as smart and how scientific Steve is, he would be one to recognize abnormalities and understand what is going on. Good for him, I respect him even more now.

josh Rohatinsky?

Chet Manly wrote:

I find it interesting that there isn't a single accusation of EPO or blood doping by Salazar - would someone who is cheating like these people are claiming really not use the most effective method of cheating? Why would he use less effective methods rather than the best?

Again I don't think there's is much doubt that Salazar is bending, or pushing ot the limit, of the rules. But the fact that there is no one is accusing him of administering EPO kind of limits "Salazar is a cheater" view.

Why do you think the Rupp wanted the IV saline drip so bad in London? Don't think it was for the hydration, so hmm what else might it do? Oh, to lower hematocrit, why would he need to do that?

So essentially.... Rupp has been doping/micro-doping since HS but not necessarily all the other NOP athletes?

Please oh please oh please oh please not jordan hasay and shannon rowbury....

Curious Cat wrote:

...but what about Centrowitz?

Centro is pliable: money, chicks, fame. If Centro is part of the claims expect his father to go on an epic warpath to Salazar's door.