Ponce 800m - Charles Jock with the win (& a new PB), Symmonds showing signs of life

Jock ran 1:44.7x in 2012 I think, so not a PB but a good run

Flo'da boy wrote:

Jock ran 1:44.7x in 2012 I think, so not a PB but a good run

1:44.67 in 2011, this isn't close to a pr. He ran faster in 2012 and 2013.

It's his 9th fastest run.

My picks for the US 8'hundo team so far:

1. Solomon

2. Boris Berian

3. Charles Jock

Wild cards (aka the next few likely to make it) in order

Sowinsky

Brannon Kidder

Shaquille Walker

Loxsom

Symmonds

Still plenty of time to see how things unfold, is Pre the only 800 any US guys are likely to run before USA's?

I was expecting Jeremy Wariner to at least run a high 45 Today.

JW46 wrote:

I was expecting Jeremy Wariner to at least run a high 45 Today.

I wasn't expecting it but I was hoping he would. He's really fighting an uphill battle. He hasn't run well for several years and now he claims he's healthy. He's a 2nd tier runner now. I can't imagine he will go to Europe and run B races but he's too slow to run with the big boys.

In 2011 and 2012 before USAs Symmonds underperformed at Pre. He came back two weeks later to claim 2 US titles.

Symmonds will most definitely make the 800 US team, never count him out.

Where is Ana Willard? She's in the heat sheet of the 1500 but a no-show. Let's see how Cory McGee does...

Symmonds looked pretty terrible. I appreciate 1:46 isn't bad, but he was off the back the whole way and was never really involved with the race.

I appreciate he has a history of moving through the field during races, but this looked, to me, more like he was simply struggling with the pace of what would (2013 and before) been a fairly mediocre field by his standards.

bladerunner wrote:

JW46 wrote:

I was expecting Jeremy Wariner to at least run a high 45 Today.

I wasn't expecting it but I was hoping he would. He's really fighting an uphill battle. He hasn't run well for several years and now he claims he's healthy. He's a 2nd tier runner now. I can't imagine he will go to Europe and run B races but he's too slow to run with the big boys.

To be fair nobody ran fast. Merritt isn't having a stellar year but his time was way off where he's run. So Wariner's time might not be as bad as it seems

How can you criticize this race from Symmonds? Granted that he came to a stop in the last run, he had earlier run 8:20 and 3:44, plus the 1:49, and now he drops three seconds and isn't far at all from a world qualifier. He has plenty of time right now before USAs to get it together. He has turned around much faster than that in the past. Before this race, I didn't know, but this shows that he has every chance to get back on the team with Solomon and perhaps Boris or a wild card.

Race video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UUlM9FUA94

Thanks Dewey Runner. Good race by Jock coming from way back and in lane 4 to win it. That has to give him some confidence...

Interesting tactics from Jock. He used to be such a front runner, but decided to stay back in this one. Looked strong at the end.

Michael Norman, a jr. in CA broke 46 today, again. He's about 1/2 Wariner's age and has put his legs through about 1% of the beating JW has had in training/racing through the years.

I'm impressed with Wariner. He has nothing to gain here. Seems he's doing it for the love of competing. Very respectable.

This might just be the most ridiculous post I've seen in reference to this year's 800m prediction. Boris Berian and Charles Jock are your number two and three because of one race from each of them that were only 1:45's? What have either one of them even done recently aside from those two only somewhat moderately impressive performances to even warrant being a part of this discussion? As for the rest of your list, Shaquille Walker and Brannon Kidder have to go because once again, these are two people that have only performed moderately impressively when thinking in terms of American professional level performances. Instead include some names that have some real merit because of past performances and multiple points of contention on the national scale such as Brandon Johnson, Elijah Greer or Tyler Mulder. Personally, I think the three making the team this year will be Sowinski, Johnson and Solomon because these guys have proven on multiple occasions that they are up to the national challenge and have shown fair form at the right times this year as well. I don't enjoy using you as a point of reference to show how some people on this site are just plain idiots when it comes to track, but by posting this you asked for it. Unless of course you are a troll, in which case I will say touché, but I doubt the likelihood of that possibility.

Early but still wrote:

My picks for the US 8'hundo team so far:

1. Solomon

2. Boris Berian

3. Charles Jock

Wild cards (aka the next few likely to make it) in order

Sowinsky

Brannon Kidder

Shaquille Walker

Loxsom

Symmonds

Still plenty of time to see how things unfold, is Pre the only 800 any US guys are likely to run before USA's?

Even though it's obvious your post is the one I was referring to, I forgot to quote it so I'll quote it here just to make sure that one, you know I'm referring to you, and two, so the Letsrun trolls don't get the chance to point out my mistake to me before I address it myself.

Early but still wrote:

My picks for the US 8'hundo team so far:

1. Solomon

2. Boris Berian

3. Charles Jock

Wild cards (aka the next few likely to make it) in order

Sowinsky

Brannon Kidder

Shaquille Walker

Loxsom

Symmonds

Still plenty of time to see how things unfold, is Pre the only 800 any US guys are likely to run before USA's?

You're way off. Jock is a wild card. Berian is probably a year away from making an impact at the top level in a competition requiring rounds. Symmonds is a wild card I agree, but only because he had been out of it for so long. Sowinsky and Loxsom should be considered good bets to make it, and where the heck is a certain ex 400 hurdler? Solomon is close to a lock if he shows up in shape.

JW79 wrote:

Michael Norman, a jr. in CA broke 46 today, again. He's about 1/2 Wariner's age and has put his legs through about 1% of the beating JW has had in training/racing through the years.

I'm impressed with Wariner. He has nothing to gain here. Seems he's doing it for the love of competing. Very respectable.

nothing to gain? Doing it for the love? While I believe Wariner does in general compete because he loves it, he's doing it because he thinks he does have something to gain and can be competitive. Wariner plans to be a world beater again which he has clearly stated. Whether it becomes true who knows. He ran some solid splits at world relays so he has to have a better time in him then this with some better weather. But he is doing this for more than just the love. He still cares about being the best,