My miler ran 4:13 and another kid ran 1:56 in the trials this weekend.
Our girl ran 5:02. Could you even keep up?
So what 10 minutes are you exactly referring to?
My miler ran 4:13 and another kid ran 1:56 in the trials this weekend.
Our girl ran 5:02. Could you even keep up?
So what 10 minutes are you exactly referring to?
I'm all for warming up but I cal BS on this.
The Animal Within wrote:
My miler ran 4:13 and another kid ran 1:56 in the trials this weekend.
Our girl ran 5:02. Could you even keep up?
So what 10 minutes are you exactly referring to?
Riverdale Runner wrote:
anti drill sergeant wrote:I think I ran a race against your kids last weekend. They ran round for 30 minutes and then stretched for 15 minutes before launching into a series of cirque de soleil type drills.
I rested quietly in the shade sipping a small coffee.
When the gun went off they majestically sprinted off into the sunrise while I eased into race pace over the first half km.
They then chugged to a slow pace while I kept going and beat them by over 10 minutes.
But they sure looked good at the start.
Beating a bunch of kids. Congratulations!
They were 18-20. I'm 45.
Thanks.
The Animal Within wrote:
My miler ran 4:13 and another kid ran 1:56 in the trials this weekend.
Our girl ran 5:02. Could you even keep up?
So what 10 minutes are you exactly referring to?
When I was training for those events, yes.
I was referring to 10 minutes extra for their time of course.
And again I call BS.
anti drill sergeant wrote:
The Animal Within wrote:My miler ran 4:13 and another kid ran 1:56 in the trials this weekend.
Our girl ran 5:02. Could you even keep up?
So what 10 minutes are you exactly referring to?
When I was training for those events, yes.
I was referring to 10 minutes extra for their time of course.
\Keyboard Warriors wrote:
And again I call BS.
anti drill sergeant wrote:When I was training for those events, yes.
I was referring to 10 minutes extra for their time of course.
That's OK as long as you agree that drills would not change that.
I saw an entire team in the south in 90+ degree August weather warming up for a cross country race in pants. I was baffled. I asked one of the guys what the deal was. He said one of their athletes once pulled a muscle after warming up in much cooler temps. So, after that day, the coach made everyone warm up in pants to make sure their legs were warm (even if they were shirtless). Come to find out the coach had a bunch of crazy rules and ideas.
All this to say that it seems like little of the discussion here is about what the physiological purpose of the warm up is. It doesn't matter if it 'gets your mind in the right place' if it doesn't get your body there too. Who cares what you've always done. Why does it work?
Look at these hobby joggers doing drills ... cant believe that someone actually took a video of these worthless joggers!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=allcgyEAWB0
Check out the fat cows in this one!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IydNXXlNW5g
Yet another fat cow in this video
Flipper Flapper wrote:
Look at these hobby joggers doing drills ... cant believe that someone actually took a video of these worthless joggers!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=allcgyEAWB0Check out the fat cows in this one!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IydNXXlNW5gYet another fat cow in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dN12jqR6No
Those are tribal dances you moron.
Please read and educate yourself.
http://bretcontreras.com/what-does-sports-science-research-have-to-say-about-warming-up/
I can't imagine not warming up, stretching and not doing drills before my races.
Anything 1 mile or less, a warmup is 100% necessary.
I am really enjoying reading this thread. I think above all other dumb threads this one really shows how clueless and stubborn a significant proportion of LR is!
Warming up is one of the only activities that is universally accepted by all coaches in all sports from grassroots to elite, not to mention it is backed by science also.
Yet the letsrun geniuses know something everybody else doesn't! Amazing.
Just shows how useless asking for training advice on here can be.
I'm sure Lagat enjoys a coffee in the shade for his pre-race race routine also... lol!
Too good wrote:
I'm sure Lagat enjoys a coffee in the shade for his pre-race race routine also... lol!
He might if he was racing a bunch of kids in a half marathon on a hot day after he saw them get all overheated and exhausted before the race even starts.
[quote]Too good wrote:
I am really enjoying reading this thread. I think above all other dumb threads this one really shows how clueless and stubborn a significant proportion of LR is!
Warming up is one of the only activities that is universally accepted by all coaches in all sports from grassroots to elite, not to mention it is backed by science also.
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Lydiard mentioned a time when a few of his athletes arrived late and had no time to do more than put their spikes on and run quickly to the start across the infield.
PRs all around.
Haha! What a brilliant piece of irrefutable evidence!
A foggy memory from an elderly man, barely remembered by yourself (with no source).
A brilliant counter to this paper analysing 32 studies into warm ups, where the result was improved performance in 79% of cases.
Warming up increases baseline oxygen in the blood and primes your aerobic system so it's ready to kick in right away. Skipping the warmup means that you'll rely more on your anaerobic system at the start of the race, and you'll have more lactate to clear, with can limit your pace throughout the race.
Warming up (and in particular warming up at a faster pace and running strides) increases muscle recruitment. It's the same reason that weight lifters will do warmup sets before the "real" workout.
Elevating your baseline temperature is also generally beneficial, though that can be counterproductive in hot conditions.
Better questions would be about the right warmup for the right circumstances. Most people find that there should be an inverse relationships between the length of the race and the length of the warmup. The shorter the race, the greater demands you're placing on your body right away, so you need to be ready. With longer races, the pace isn't challenging at first, so you can get away without being so primed. Many high level marathoners hardly warmup at all because the pace is so comfortable at the start and because they want to preserve their glycogen stores.
Too good wrote:
Haha! What a brilliant piece of irrefutable evidence!
A foggy memory from an elderly man, barely remembered by yourself (with no source).
A brilliant counter to this paper analysing 32 studies into warm ups, where the result was improved performance in 79% of cases.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19996770
I know.
Your paper refers to people who believe it makes a difference so they exert themselves less without a warm-up because they believe they need one.
Does the antelope or the cheetah warm up before putting everything on the line?
Late in life when I didn't care anymore about my times..
I still wanted to race and I also wanted to volunteer.
I started volunteering to set up the start/finish line and registration area and it involved a lot of heavy lifting..
Tables/chairs, setting up the starting line arch with sand bags..etc..
Carrying dolly loads of cases of water to the finish line etc,
And the oddest thing happened..
I still wanted to race and in our club you are allowed to volunteer and run
I really get tired from all the heavy work (completely soaked in sweat)
But, it is a perfect warm up for the race..
it's not aerobic in any way. it loosens my back up, it gets my mind off the race until near gun time
And I feel GREAT.
Before just the pre-race nerves made me a wreck.
So, warming up REAL good can be good.
Sometimes old people hurt.
For some reason I can feel everything single muscle fiber being sore and having some weird tweaks in my legs until I jog for like 10 minutes. Then these gremlins go away within a minute.
Then I race. Slowly.
I love it.
That's not how scientific studies work they don't choose people that have biased views. 32 studies containing randomised people where the quality of information obtained from each study is analysed using science and reason as well as the results observed. Not just bowing to a one off comment supposedly by Lydiard, which is infinitely more biased.