He's back!!!!! king Ches takes down Eric Jenkins at Pac 12s in 5k

Neither can hold the jock of the 1978 Henry Rono. 13:45 is a joke for those guys.

i was there, and they were cruising the entire time. they weren't racing at all, and jenkins just let cheserek take it

[quote]COORdualmeet wrote:

Neither can hold the jock of the 1978 Henry Rono. /quote]

Year, but who can?

Seriously, it's hard to think of a runner who had a better year than Rono did in 1978. He set 4 world records in less than three months. And did a bunch of other amazing stuff, stuff these guys can't even imagine.

Back to the present: Is there any chance these guy will get pushed hard this year? Or are they just going to be able to keep playing with themselves?

nahhh wrote:

i was there, and they were cruising the entire time. they weren't racing at all, and jenkins just let cheserek take it

Is that even fun? Legitimate question, not trying to put down their accomplishments. They're very good, but I personally would be frustrated to be told by a coach to tempo at a conference meet. It's kinda...boring.

"Takes Down"

I feel like this phrase would only be appropriate if it was describing Jenkins beating Cheserek, it's pretty expected that Ches would win this race.

"He's back"

Since when was he ever gone?

Rono was a great runner but he was also 25 that year, a man racing much younger college athletes. That was before there were age limits for foreign athletes.

Les wrote:

Rono was a great runner but he was also 25 that year, a man racing much younger college athletes. That was before there were age limits for foreign athletes.

Yup, setting 4 WRs in three months is not impressive in your small view of the world.

I love the logic of Oregon Jerks. Rono is old. Maton is a high schooler.

Rono had less running experience than either Cheserek or Jenkins when he set those world records. Rono, barefoot his entire life, got his first pair of shoes when he joined the Army at 19 years old.

DKCCC wrote:

nahhh wrote:

i was there, and they were cruising the entire time. they weren't racing at all, and jenkins just let cheserek take it

Is that even fun? Legitimate question, not trying to put down their accomplishments. They're very good, but I personally would be frustrated to be told by a coach to tempo at a conference meet. It's kinda...boring.

They are boring runners.

True that wrote:

[quote]COORdualmeet wrote:

Neither can hold the jock of the 1978 Henry Rono. /quote]

Year, but who can?

Seriously, it's hard to think of a runner who had a better year than Rono did in 1978. He set 4 world records in less than three months. And did a bunch of other amazing stuff, stuff these guys can't even imagine.

Back to the present: Is there any chance these guy will get pushed hard this year? Or are they just going to be able to keep playing with themselves?

If you think these guys can't imagine those things, then you don't know serious runners. They learn their running history.

Did you not read the article of how Chez ran 100 miles as a teenager, in order to get to his high school exams to qualify for the high school in the US, after rains had washed out the roads?

If you think a Kenyan kid with that background hasn't heard about Kenya's legendary running athletes, you're mistaken. And a kid who ran 100 miles at age 15, or something, and has done what he has the past two years, already, can't imagine a Henry Rono accomplishment. Yeah, no.

Rono was 24 when he set the records. He began at Washington State as a 22 year old freshman. Old by college standards but keep in mind he did things no one had done at any age. He ran 1308 at a tri college meet with no rabbits. He ran 2745 at the pac 8 10k. He ran 1320 in the NCAA heats with a 408 first mile. Crazy few months from that man.

Total 52 Races (40 outdoors, 8 indoors, 3 cross country, 1 road) includes 5 qualifying heats

39 wins, 13 losses

1st (39), 2nd (4), 3rd (3), 4th (1), 5th (1), 6th (1), 237th (1), dnf (2)

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Indoors: 8 races: 3 wins, 5 losses

1st (3), 2nd (1), 3rd (2), 4th (1), 6th (1)

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Outdoors: 40 races: 33 wins, 7 losses

1st (33), 2nd (3), 3rd (1), 5th (1), dnf (2)

1 mile: 1 win, 2 losses…1st (1), 2nd (1), dnf (1)

2000: 1 loss…5th (1)

3000: 5 wins, 1 loss…1st (5), 3rd (1)

3000sc: 9 wins, 2 losses…1st (9), 2nd (1), dnf (1)

2 mile: 1 win, 1 loss…1st (1), 2nd (1)

5000: 12 wins…1st (12)

10000: 5 wins…1st (5)

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Roads 1 race: 1 win, 0 losses

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Cross Country 3 races; 2 wins, 1 loss

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The Races:

1/21 1 8:18.3 CR 2 mile Sunkist Invitational Los Angeles, CA

1/22 1 4:00.9 1 mile Vandal Invitatioanl Moscow, ID

1/28 1 27:48.6 10000 International Auckland, NZ

2/5 1 1:04:46 HM San Blas HM Coamo, PR

2/10 4 13:24.6 3 mile Maple Leaf Games Toronto, Canada

2/17 3 8:20.0 2 mile Jack-in-the-box San Diego, CA

2/18 3 4:01.6 1 mile Examiner Games Daly City, CA

3/10 1 4:12.2h 1 mile NCAA Detroit, MI

3/11 2 8:43.4 2 mile NCAA Detroit, MI

3/11 6 4:50.0 1 mile NCAA Detroit, MI

3/28 1 13:31.8 5000 San Jose Relays San Jose, CA

4/1 1 13:22.7 5000 SCC Spokane, WA snowstorm

4/8 1 13:08.4 WR 5000 Triangular Meet Berkeley, CA attendance 2000 70 degrees sunny

4/15 1 8:14.8 CR 3000sc WSU vs UO Eugene, OR

4/22 1 4:00.9 1 mile Quadrangular Meet Pasco, WA

4/29 1 8:24.4 3000sc WSU vs UW Pullman, WA

5/7 1 7:43.0 3000 Pepsi Invitational Los Angeles, CA

5/13 1 8:05.4 WR 3000sc Northwest Relays Seattle, WA rain, hail, windy, 55 degrees, 200+ attendance

5/19 1 27:46.6 10000 Pac 8 Conference Corvallis, OR

5/19 dnf 3000sc Pac 8 Conference Corvallis, OR (sore foot)

5/20 1 13:20.2 5000 Pac 8 Conference Corvallis, OR

5/24 1 7:43.9 3000 Phillips Invitational London, GBR

6/1 1 8:18.6h 3000sc NCAA Eugene, OR

6/1 1 13:21.8h 5000 NCAA Eugene, OR

6/3 1 8:12.4 3000sc NCAA Eugene, OR

6/11 1 27:22.5 WR 10000 International Vienna, AUT after a soccer game, 500 attendance 72 degrees, no wind

6/18 1 13:32.0 5000 African Games Mombassa, KEN

6/22 1 7:41.5 3000 Sportfest Cologne, GER

6/24 1 13:20.8 5000 British AAA London, GBR

6/27 1 7:32.1 WR 3000 Bislett Games Oslo, NOR

6/28 1 8:16.8 3000sc World Games Helsinki, FIN

7/2 1 13:18.2 5000 International Milano, ITA

7/20 1 27:58.9 10000 African Games Algiers, ALG

7/25 1 8:15.8 3000sc African Games Algiers, ALG

8/2 5 5:17.0 2000 International Edmonton, CAN

8/6 1 8:26.3h 3000sc Commonwealth Games Edmonton, CAN

8/7 1 8:26.5 3000sc Commonwealth Games Edmonton, CAN

8/8 1 14:02.2h 5000 Commonwealth Games Edmonton, CAN

8/10 1 13:23.0 5000 Commonwealth Games Edmonton, CAN

8/16 1 13:16.1 5000 Weltklasse Zurich, SWI

9/5 3 7:45.3 3000 International Frankfurt, GER

9/7 2 8:17.5 3000sc International Kloblenz, GER

9/9 1 27:53.8 10000 GBR vs FIN (guest) London, GBR

9/10 1 13:15.5 5000 International Rieti, ITA

9/12 1 7:49.3 3000 International Ingleheim, GER

9/15 2 8:14.7 2 mile Coca Cola London, GBR

9/17 2 4:03.8 1 mile International Gateshead, GBR

9/20 1 8:32.7 2 mile International Oslo, NOR

9/25 dnf 1 mile International Tokyo, JPN

10/28 1 23:37.2 8000xc Pac 10 Divisional Pullman, WA

11/11 1 29:22.0 10000xc Pac-10 District Fresno, CA

11/20 237 34:10.7 10000xc NCAA Madison, WI (took wrong turn)

The World Records: 81 days duration, without the aid of pacemakers, unless you consider 13:48 (10k WR) and 3:49.5 (3k WR) “pacemaking”?

4/8 1 13:08.4 WR 5000 Triangular Meet Berkeley, CA (:49.6 margin, Josh Kimeto, 13:58.0)

5/13 1 8:05.4 WR 3000sc Northwest Relays Seattle, WA (:30.7 margin, Jim Johnson 8:36.1)

6/11 1 27:22.5 WR 10000 International Vienna, AUT (:30.5 margin, Domingo Tibaduiza 27:53.0)

6/27 1 7:32.1 WR 3000 Bislett Games Oslo, NOR (:8.2 margin, Suleiman Nyambui 7:40.3)

The Splits

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WR 5000m Berkley, CA 5/8/78 70 degrees, sunny

1. 13:08.4 Henry Rono

2. 13:58.0 Josh Kimeto

3. 14:03.0 Samson Kimobwa

1:07 (67)

2:10 (63)

3:14 (64)

4:15 (61) 1600m

5:18 (63)

6:20 (62)

7:24 (64)

8:28 (64) 3200m

9:31 (63)

10:35 (64)

11:38 (63)

12:09 (31) 4600m

13:08 (59.4)

(2:42.0, 2:36.0, 2:39.5, 2:37.0, 2:33.9)

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WR steeplechase Seattle WA 5/13/78 hail, rain, windy, 55 degrees. 200+ attendance.

1: 8:05.4 Henry Rono WSU

2. 8:36.1 Jim Johnson CNW

3. 8:52.1 Evens WSU

4. 8:54.7 Barr CNW

63.8

66.2 (2:10.0)

64.0 (3:14.0)

65.5 (4:19.5)

65.3 (5:24.8)

65.1 (6:29.9)

61.4 last lap

After the last lap, the wind really came to life, hitting 15-20 mph. “It was very hard after 5 laps,” he said. “The last 200 meters were hard too.”

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WR 10000, Vienna AUT 72 degrees 500 attendance Jos Hermans paced first 9 laps

1. 27:22.5 Henry Rono, KEN

2. 27:53.0 Domingo Tibaduiza, COL

3. 27:58.9 Joel Cheruiyot, KEN

2:47.5

13:48.2

22:02.1

27:22.5 13:34.3 57.0 last lap

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WR 3000m Oslo, NOR 6/27/78

1. 7:32.1 Henry Rono KEN

2. 7:40.3 Sulieman Nyambui, TAN

3. 7:40.4 Nick Rose GBR

2:34.0

3:49.5 1500 Rono takes lead

4:04.5 60.0

5:04.5 60.0 2:30.5

6:04.5 60.0

7:03.5 59.0

7:32.1 28.6 2:27.6 3:42.6

Did Rono ever break 4? Looks like he didn't during that amazing streak.

Who the F cares if he broke some arbitrary time, look at that record.

malmo wrote:

The Races:

3/11 6 4:50.0 1 mile NCAA Detroit, MI

What the hell happened here?

The Dingo wrote:

malmo wrote:

The Races:

3/11 6 4:50.0 1 mile NCAA Detroit, MI

What the hell happened here?

He got tired.

Remember, those indoor races were on 160y bank board tracks, the likes that an entire generation of current runners have never seen before, nor ever will. Cobo Hall is at least worth a second per quarter, or more.

Those Spring track races were not nighttime time trials, under the lights, and in perfect conditions....they were run in the afternoon, under an overhead Sun (or when he was lucky, a blizzard, and a rain storm)

ureene ideeeot wrote:

[quote]True that wrote:

[quote]COORdualmeet wrote:

Neither can hold the jock of the 1978 Henry Rono. /quote]

Year, but who can?

Did you not read the article of how Chez ran 100 miles as a teenager, in order to get to his high school exams to qualify for the high school in the US, after rains had washed out the roads?

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You believe that article where Ches said he ran all those miles to get to his HS exams? I don't believe a word of what he has said about his past.

When he 1st came to the USA he told everyone he was an orphan - we later found out his parents are still very much alive

Then he claimed to have never run before coming to the USA - again we later find this to be untrue

And 3rd in HS when he ran a steeplechase he told people it was the first time he ever did the event and yet again it comes out later that he raced 2 or 3 of them back in Kenya before coming to the USA.

It is typical of many of Kenyan runners telling tall tales that they know the press will eat up

Ever wonder why so many of the had to run 10 miles back and forth to school every day and even home for lunch? Why didn't they build any schools near villages?

Ches tells people what they want to hear

I knew it would not be long until the Henry posts came out.

26 years old in his last year in college.

I followed every Henry result I could get my hands on as a HS'er unfortunately over a month late.

I was a big fan, but:

Some people that dump on Cheserek because they think he is old, completely skip over this time and time again.

Henry was setting WRs in buckets and was clearly in what turned out to be his prime.