Well, they seemed to have extreme amount of endurance to run and hold a log on top of their head. Same with enduring water on your face.
With all the talent they have, can those professional runners make it?
Well, they seemed to have extreme amount of endurance to run and hold a log on top of their head. Same with enduring water on your face.
With all the talent they have, can those professional runners make it?
The most common trait of successful specops operators is persistence. Teamwork is also essential.
Candidates in SEALS training must have good swimming ability, good upper body strength and a strong body to withstand impacts. Many candidates break bones too easily.
Endurance is important, but that can he adequately trained. The overall mentality and whole body strength provides a good foundation for effective operators.
I'd expect them to have difficulty in anything involving upper body strength. Sure, they'd probably kill the run but it wouldn't matter if they struggled to get the log above their head to begin with.
In addition to the fundamental qualities of persistence and teamwork, they need to have the personality to continue to perform under extreme exhaustion, sleep deprivation and cold tolerance.
Yes and the running is in boots on the sand with obstacles a lot of the time. You need overall strength or you will let your teammates down.
You can always lift and run more but the warrior mentality is what separates the men from the boys. Getting your scuba respirator ripped off and tangled while blindfolded underwater and getting kicked requires a certain attitude to be able to keep calm. They also drown you sometimes and kick the shit out of you in training which does not favor the weak.
Passing BUDS is just the start of training. It takes a special kind of person to do this work. Being a good athlete or a good shooter is just part of the equation.
I think anyone in tune with their body enough to train and perform at the D1 level will be at a distinct disadvantage in SEAL training.
D1 racing/training is, at every point, a choice with instant relief less than one second away. That is tough but there is no fear involved.
SEAL training is ALL ABOUT FEAR. Can you get yourself to sandpaper the skin off your legs 3 days in a row? The first day there is no fear because you have never done it before, the second day you are following through. The third day is all about the fear that there will be a fourth day.
In order to pass SEAL training, you have to be able to make yourself pass out under water and trust that the instructors will pull you out. That may sound easy but they might ask you to do something that actually does scare you like doing it in the middle of the night so the instructors can't see you.
I would disagree and say that being a top athlete requires sacrifice and the ability withstand discomfort and pain. You must determined. These are good traits.
I also don't know why people are so obsessed with SEALs. Maybe it's all the movies.
Delta is insane. The ISA is even more insane.
I get the feeling that none of these posters ever served in any capacity. Brief creds: 1 deployment with 82nd AA, 1 with 75th Ranger STB, completed SF selection with the US Army and deployed as E Co (Combat Support) with an SF unit. I never served in a SEAL unit, never JTFed with SEALS, I know 1 former SEAL. So take this with a grain of salt. I was All American in the NAIA in college XC, in my SF selection course I was one of 6 college XC runners, 30 some odd former football players and about a dozen or so "others." All 6 XC runners were selected, 3 football players and 3 "others." I dont know how representative this is. I do think that my experience with XC helped me with SF selection, we are used to punishing our own bodies and enduring suffering. The physical aspect is not the centerpiece of selection (I accessioned as an officer before going through SF training). In Ranger school, we would be awakened at 2am to go on a 15 mile ruck. SF we would be awakened at 2am to draw a map of the sand table from last afternoon's exercises or to take a lengthy test. Here's my theory, football players rely on bluster and hype to generate a lot of intensity over a short period of time. Then they spend the rest of the game doing what they can to avoid being hit. Runners willingly accept the mantle of punishment. Who knows if that is true...but that is what I told myself over the 15 days of selection.
Echo Company wrote:
I get the feeling that none of these posters ever served in any capacity. Brief creds: 1 deployment with 82nd AA, 1 with 75th Ranger STB, completed SF selection with the US Army and deployed as E Co (Combat Support) with an SF unit. I never served in a SEAL unit, never JTFed with SEALS, I know 1 former SEAL. So take this with a grain of salt. I was All American in the NAIA in college XC, in my SF selection course I was one of 6 college XC runners, 30 some odd former football players and about a dozen or so "others." All 6 XC runners were selected, 3 football players and 3 "others." I dont know how representative this is. I do think that my experience with XC helped me with SF selection, we are used to punishing our own bodies and enduring suffering. The physical aspect is not the centerpiece of selection (I accessioned as an officer before going through SF training). In Ranger school, we would be awakened at 2am to go on a 15 mile ruck. SF we would be awakened at 2am to draw a map of the sand table from last afternoon's exercises or to take a lengthy test. Here's my theory, football players rely on bluster and hype to generate a lot of intensity over a short period of time. Then they spend the rest of the game doing what they can to avoid being hit. Runners willingly accept the mantle of punishment. Who knows if that is true...but that is what I told myself over the 15 days of selection.
And what gives you that feeling Ranger?
Echo did you ever work with ISA? I know it is stupid to ask over the internet but just asking.
Thanks Echo!
Also in response to the question, there is a recent sub-4 miler, NCAA D1 1500 finalist that is in Ranger school right now. Let's see what he can knock down there.
NAVY SEAL RUNNER wrote:
Well, they seemed to have extreme amount of endurance to run and hold a log on top of their head. Same with enduring water on your face.
With all the talent they have, can those professional runners make it?
Frogmen come in all different shapes and sizes.
I am 5'10 190lbs, though I was much lighter when I went through BUD/S.
Athleticism is only part of the equation. Most Team Guys are built more like college football players and we value mental toughness more so than pure athleticism. Some of the best athletes in my BUD/S class DOR'd. A lot of the best runners folded like a cheap chair under stress.
In all reality, if someone is able to get an SO Contract and go to BUD/S they have the physical ability to complete that "BASIC" School. BUD/S is not being a SEAL, BUD/S is a selection process to wash out the weak minded and those who would not do very well in stressful environments (RE: Combat).
SEAL Team life is nothing like BUD/S. Team life centers around operational readiness and technical training. Always preparing for combat. It is arduous at times then there are deployments where you are living in a 5 Star Hotel doing FID with a partner nation. With the drawdown overseas the DOD has returned more to the non kinetic environment much like pre 9/11; Always preparing for war but not always deploying to a war zone.
Hey are you an odd or even Team guy
I had a HS teammate who enlisted straight out of HS, and he's a SEAL now. When he told us during XC season he was planning to enlist when he turned 18 and that his goal was to join the SEALS, we thought he was crazy, but he did it.
He was more of a mid-D guy. 51 in the 400, 2 flat 800, 17 flat 5k XC. So not quite DI runner material, but he was no slouch. He was built a bit more muscularly than even your standard HS mid-D guy.
I am still local and run across some guys running on the strand . . . you?
tjfjtntntnnttntntntn wrote:
Hey are you an odd or even Team guy
I have spent my whole career on the odd coast. I am currently completing my "shore tour" and have orders to the "right coast."
TG
tjfjtntntnnttntntntn wrote:
I am still local and run across some guys running on the strand . . . you?
My current shore billet is not on "The Strand" but I do come back to Nado for my requal dives, jumps, and admin.
good shit
tjfjtntntnnttntntntn wrote:
good shit
The "Demo Pit Run" is still a Frogman Favorite.
The soft sand makes you work for every step.
I've done the run from IB Peir to Dog Beach. Still one of my favorite long runs.
Thanks for the insight echo! I'm leaving for airborne school next week and I have RASP after. Any advice for me going forward? What can I expect to encounter in RASP? Is it true that you work off of an average of 4 hours of sleep a night and 1 mre a day?