Matthew Maton 19 years old (College Freshman Age)

KayLUM wrote:

Ddi he get left back or start school late?

Is he Kenyan? He'll fit in well at the Clown College with 30 yo cheese. Like Malmö said, I was a sophomore in college at 19.

Nice how you left out the part about Maton running faster than you ever did in your career. Just sayin'.

And 7/10. It made me mad.

Sub 4 mile is an outstanding time for a 19 year old.

German Fernandez ran 3:55.02 at 18 years 2 months as a college Freshman. American 19 year olds run 3:59, 3:42/41 every year. Factoring in that he was running 80-90 miles a week during the fall makes his time even less significant.

What a bunch of whiners. HS times are set by HS students, EoT. If you don't link it the work to get the rules changed so that only age 15 can be Freshmen, age 16 Sophomores, age 17 Juniors, and age 18 seniors. If your are 17 and a Senior your times count as Junior times.

This is why Junior records trump high school records.

you can have 19+ year olds setting high school records, and 17 year olds in college who run faster than the high school runner 2 years older than them.

Still props to Maton, good time, good prospect.

I ran sub 4 when I was 19. Unfortunately, I was a sophomore in college and got beat by about 6 guys.

I ran sub 4 when I was 19. Unfortunately, I was a sophomore in college and got beat by about 6 guys.

Some other d baguette wrote:

German Fernandez ran 3:55.02 at 18 years 2 months as a college Freshman. American 19 year olds run 3:59, 3:42/41 every year. Factoring in that he was running 80-90 miles a week during the fall makes his time even less significant.

^THIS

I was 18 my sophomore year of college, and 80-90 mpw? Plenty of guys doing 50-60 mpw and are breaking 4

Grant Fisher is the real deal

Who are all these people breaking 4? Oregon is the only school where "plenty of guys are breaking 4". Maton is headed to the right school.

My freshman year of college I was 18 years old, I didn't turn 19 until the summer before my sophomore year (July). 19 is old for being in high school

I remember July

Before this thread gets any further, I'd just like to put this here:

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/statereform/tab5_3.asp

The VAST majority of states (almost all in fact) require that a child turns 5 right around the start of the academic year (August - Oct.) when entering Kindergarten.

When extrapolated down the line, this means that provided they started Kindergarten at the appropriate time and did not skip any grades in between, almost all high school seniors should turn 18 either right at the start of or during their senior year.

This means the following:

1) Matthew Maton, who is 19 during Track Season, is abnormally old for a HS senior.

2) German Fernandez, who was 17 during his senior track season and did not turn 18 until several months into college, is abnormally young for a HS senior. His birthday is Nov. 24th, meaning that provided he was a California student his entire life, he started kindergarten one calendar year earlier than recommended (unless the Kindergarten age standards were different when he started). He is NOT an appropriate standard of comparison for the age of a HS senior, since his situation is fairly rare.

3) 60-75% of HS seniors should be 18 right about now, with some minor variation across states. This means that the majority are NOT 17. It does not matter that YOU were anecdotally 17 during HS track season, it just means that you were part of a minority.

That being said, the advantage that being older confers may vary from person to person, since growth/development varies from person to person. Lukas Verzbicas was 18 during his senior track season, had the face of a 14-year-old, and couldn't even grow facial hair. Jantzen Oshier was 18 during his senior track season and looked like he could be 25.

Whether or not Maton actually received an advantage from being slightly older is up for debate (and it won't matter in the slightest when he's running against redshirts in college), but he IS one calendar year older than the vast majority in his grade, so it's possible that this sub-4 should be asterisked.

Seyta wrote:

Before this thread gets any further, I'd just like to put this here:

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/statereform/tab5_3.asp

The VAST majority of states (almost all in fact) require that a child turns 5 right around the start of the academic year (August - Oct.) when entering Kindergarten.

When extrapolated down the line, this means that provided they started Kindergarten at the appropriate time and did not skip any grades in between, almost all high school seniors should turn 18 either right at the start of or during their senior year.

That's just the minimum age. You're right, most high school seniors turn 18 senior year, but there are a few that turn 19. The kid is legitimately in high school.

HS Age groups wrote:

What a bunch of whiners. HS times are set by HS students, EoT. If you don't link it the work to get the rules changed so that only age 15 can be Freshmen, age 16 Sophomores, age 17 Juniors, and age 18 seniors. If your are 17 and a Senior your times count as Junior times.

lol

No, it will neer happen. It will never change, and if you're 17 as a HS senior, your times will always be counted as senior class times, as they will be for a 19 year old like Maton.

Good run by Maton, his age does help him out when it comes to competing against most other high schoolers. But keep in mind few teens break four minutes. I look at the scores of E. African age cheats who claim to be teens with a jaundiced eye like most realists. I believe that at least 80% of the E. African juniors are not juniors. Especially after having been on the track with them. My favorite cheat filled race is this one, complete with a balding Eritrean 16 year old who forgot to remove his wedding ring (lane 1, look at his left hand lol) along with several other kids closer to 30 than the youth limit of 17:

Maton is a baby compared to some of the guys in the above race. At least we KNOW Maton is a youngster.

Yes, I am in fact a sub-four minute miler, not as a teen though. Missed that by 18 months.

He might be legitimately in HS but the fact remains he is 19. In terms of racing at the level he is at, 1 year (or more) makes a world of difference. Hell, I may as well sign back into school and go for a sub 4. While it is an incredible run for a HS'er, for a 19 year old it who should be a college frosh or soph, it is a solid run. They need to cap HS records with an age limit of 18.

No.

As a freshman in college he would have been 18 for his first semester. And almost through his second.

As a September 1st baby I was 19 DAY ONE of college. I could have been a young High school senior or older. My parent picked older. Wasn't my choice.

I don't know why this is a big deal.

Alan webb was balding in high school if you want to talk about maturity in that aspect.

High school aged Kenyans run sub 4 daily. I don't get why this is so special? And they do it without coaching, supplements, or shoes.