Jannis Topfer graduated from MICDS high school in 2007. I see he is running Payton Jordan for Illinois. NCAA needs to updates it's current rules as this is absurd.
Jannis Topfer graduated from MICDS high school in 2007. I see he is running Payton Jordan for Illinois. NCAA needs to updates it's current rules as this is absurd.
micgramp wrote:
Jannis Topfer graduated from MICDS high school in 2007. I see he is running Payton Jordan for Illinois. NCAA needs to updates it's current rules as this is absurd.
If he didn't start college right after HS, then his clock didn't start running. That's pretty common. You'll see that a lot with Mormons who do their mission trip for 2 years after HS. Add in a red shirt year and you're at 7 years post graduation for their last year of eligibility.
micgramp wrote:
. NCAA needs to updates it's current rules as this is absurd.
I am sure they made a mistake, but as luck would have it, a sharp guy like you is here to help out.
Keep up the good work.
genuine random a hole wrote:
micgramp wrote:. NCAA needs to updates it's current rules as this is absurd.
I am sure they made a mistake, but as luck would have it, a sharp guy like you is here to help out.
Keep up the good work.
Yeah yeah, I acknowledged that it is likely within the rules and all, just that the rules are broken. Do you feel that it should be okay for guys to graduate high school, go race in Europe for years, and then come back and race against college kids even EIGHT YEARS after graduating high school? That's the kind of stuff that the NCAA should allow?
Point taken.
U of Ill alum. Had to lash out. Peace out.
While we are dreaming, let's stop letting Kenyans and Ethiopians compete in World Jrs
Toffee should not be eligible. No way. Somebody has gone way beyond being in a gray area on this one.
I don't really care. He has never done anything substantial in the Big Ten, let alone at the national level.
He is not even a has-been; he never "was" much of anything.
while you're at it, check out Adams State if you'd like to complain. They bring in loads of freshmen who are about 24 years old.
ASU wrote:
while you're at it, check out Adams State if you'd like to complain. They bring in loads of freshmen who are about 24 years old.
No age limit in D2, son.
I've never heard of this guys before, but to determine someone's eligibility you must know their HS grad date, first university enrollment date and whether they competed between those 2 dates. We know his HS grad date is 2007 and all-athletics reveals that he competed at least in 2009, 2010, 2011.
If he took 2 years off after HS and prior to initial enrollment then he would have started in fall 2009. That would make this his sixth year in university. With application of the athletics activities waiver (just like all the British athletes that get a 6th year), he would be eligible.
It should be pointed out, the rules regarding delayed enrollment changed for those entering university for the first time in 2011. Athletes are now permitted only 1 year after HS graduation without penalty. Any additional delay in initial enrollment costs 1 year of eligibility IF THE ATHLETE COMPETES in that sport (or all 3 seasons if they run a road race). Under the new rules, Topfer would now be eligible but he entered university prior to the rules change.
An interesting twist on delayed enrollment: even though athletes lose a year of eligibility for each year after their one "free year" after high school, their clock does not start until they initially enroll. So, an athlete that graduates HS and takes 5 years off from school (with competitions) and then enrolls first time, still has 5 years to make their 1 remaining season (with activities waiver). That individual could graduate HS at 18, compete until they were 23, train at the university on scholarship for 4 years and be a "5th Yr SR" at age 28. If they're Mormon they could go 'til 30!
If an individual graduates HS and only trained (ie, never raced), they could enroll as a first time freshman at any point. Track and field no longer has an age restriction on initial enrollment, it is based solely on organized competition after HS graduation. That is why you sometimes see 28 year old football players that pursued baseball for 5 years after HS. If they didn't play organized football, they didn't use any eligibility.
micgramp wrote:
Jannis Topfer graduated from MICDS high school in 2007. I see he is running Payton Jordan for Illinois. NCAA needs to updates it's current rules as this is absurd.
Why? To shut the door forever on great stories like this one --
http://www.foxsports.com/buzzer/story/college-baseball-jacksonville-dolphins-united-states-navy-brian-holcomb-042915NAIA has this going on a lot. In my conference there was a team who had a 30+ year old woman win nationals in the 10k. Right now, on a different team, there is a 27-28 year old male who is top of the conference and also almost won indoor nationals.
Talk about fair...
Mr. Mellotron wrote:
micgramp wrote:Jannis Topfer graduated from MICDS high school in 2007. I see he is running Payton Jordan for Illinois. NCAA needs to updates it's current rules as this is absurd.
Why? To shut the door forever on great stories like this one --
http://www.foxsports.com/buzzer/story/college-baseball-jacksonville-dolphins-united-states-navy-brian-holcomb-042915
Hey Mr Mellotron, in another thread I asked you this question but I dunno if I actually submitted the reply or it got deleted. Do you own a Mellotron? Just curious because I recently sold mine in the last few years and thought it would be interesting if there was another keyboard nerd on here besides me. Thanks and sorry to hijack the thread.
compliance man wrote:
I've never heard of this guys before, but to determine someone's eligibility you must know their HS grad date, first university enrollment date and whether they competed between those 2 dates. We know his HS grad date is 2007 and all-athletics reveals that he competed at least in 2009, 2010, 2011.
If he took 2 years off after HS and prior to initial enrollment then he would have started in fall 2009. That would make this his sixth year in university. With application of the athletics activities waiver (just like all the British athletes that get a 6th year), he would be eligible.
It should be pointed out, the rules regarding delayed enrollment changed for those entering university for the first time in 2011. Athletes are now permitted only 1 year after HS graduation without penalty. Any additional delay in initial enrollment costs 1 year of eligibility IF THE ATHLETE COMPETES in that sport (or all 3 seasons if they run a road race). Under the new rules, Topfer would now be eligible but he entered university prior to the rules change.
An interesting twist on delayed enrollment: even though athletes lose a year of eligibility for each year after their one "free year" after high school, their clock does not start until they initially enroll. So, an athlete that graduates HS and takes 5 years off from school (with competitions) and then enrolls first time, still has 5 years to make their 1 remaining season (with activities waiver). That individual could graduate HS at 18, compete until they were 23, train at the university on scholarship for 4 years and be a "5th Yr SR" at age 28. If they're Mormon they could go 'til 30!
If an individual graduates HS and only trained (ie, never raced), they could enroll as a first time freshman at any point. Track and field no longer has an age restriction on initial enrollment, it is based solely on organized competition after HS graduation. That is why you sometimes see 28 year old football players that pursued baseball for 5 years after HS. If they didn't play organized football, they didn't use any eligibility.
I'm certain he competed in Europe between high school and enrolling at Illinois, though I couldn't tell you the dates. Thanks for this post though - it is informative and highlights some of the allowances I find troubling.
Crossroads Runner wrote:
NAIA has this going on a lot. In my conference there was a team who had a 30+ year old woman win nationals in the 10k. Right now, on a different team, there is a 27-28 year old male who is top of the conference and also almost won indoor nationals.
Talk about fair...
NAIA doesn't have a "start clock". I could finish high school and go to school part time or not at all. Then every 4 years enroll full-time and complete a season, then repeat the process for 16 years or however long I desire.
We had a 35 yr old back In the late 90s with two years eligibility left because he was full-time in the 80s, then half-time off and on until the 90s.
Speaking of NAIA...anyone else miss seeing LIFE College ripping it up?
micgramp wrote:
Jannis Topfer graduated from MICDS high school in 2007. I see he is running Payton Jordan for Illinois. NCAA needs to updates it's current rules as this is absurd.
Well let's see. I know he ran in Germany in Fall 2009. He did run at NIRCA Cross Nationals in Fall 2011 under University of Texas. He then came to Illinois the next year if I remember correctly, as a graduate student, so 2012-2013.
He never ran for Texas.
Pee on wrote:
He never ran for Texas.
NIRCA?
Illinois isn't trying to lie about his age. He's listed at age 25 on their page:
http://www.fightingillini.com/sports/m-xctrack/mtt/jannis_toepfer_812592.html