Geoffrey Kipsang Komworor - The Future of 10k ?

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  • ventolin^3
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    5 years ago 03/28/2015 3:24am CDT
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    i just seen him destroy the x-country field & it's my 1st good look at him

    he is a powerhouse of a kenyan !!!

    strong powerful legs & good upper body

    he looks like silas !!!

    that power is wasted on M, which is just too far for him

    over 2y ago, he won that abu dhabi 1/2M in 58'54 ( just 1s off an ole wanjiru wr ) & that was off a jog in 1st 5k !!!

    he couda threatened the 58'23wr that day if they'd bothered to put in a decent 5k at start

    this is now 2y+ later & nearly 4y from when he ran 27'06 when he was still 18y !!!

    i have no idea why he is wasting his time on M

    the geoffrey who has run today couda run 26'17wr if that had been a track 10k !!!

    some manager really needs to tell him to go back to the track

    kenya has got a monsta 10k runner who coud grind mo & the rest of those ethiopians into oblivion but he's wasting his time on 1/2M & M's !!!???
  • Global Sports C
    5 years ago 03/28/2015 3:56am CDT
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    That manager who you think is doing a bad job could be seen on each lap cheering Geoffrey on and then celebrating when he opened the gap over the final mini hill.
    It is fairly obvious from athlete and manager perspective why they are attempting to get him into good marathon shape rather than running diamond leagues.

    If you are interested in Geoffrey then there is also a documentary on him called 'The Unknown Runner'
  • ventolin^3
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    5 years ago 03/28/2015 4:03am CDT
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    that manager is just getting a big, big chunk of geoffrey's x-country/road earnings

    he is doing nothing to help him develop a legacy fans will remember in a few years

    to do that he has to win some track medals & run fast times, which his manager seems uninterested in

    geoffrey is not a M threat & i've seen enough of them to tell you he never will be
  • yyy
    5 years ago 03/28/2015 4:36am CDT
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    Agree with you on this one. Do you think sub-12:37 is possible if he would focus on the track? What is his 3000m potential?
  • ventolin^3
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    5 years ago 03/28/2015 4:50am CDT
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    he crushed idris, albeit this distance was too far for him

    idris was arguably number 1 over 5k last year, beating nkidu in a big circuit race in 12'54 & they were ambling for most of that

    he was worth well below 12'50 flat-out, so i think geoffrey woud be at least as quick

    5k woud never be in geoffrey's plans, albeit i reckon he coud go big way under 12'50 right now

    10k woud be the only track race he woud ever contemplate

    to run 27'06 at 18y & then give up track apart from coupla nairobi runs is ridiculous !!!
  • yyy
    5 years ago 03/28/2015 5:20am CDT
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    Without managers (not coaches), the WRs would be 3:24/12:33/26:10 by some
    unknown Kenyan who has been ruined by running too many races.
    The damage to the sport is almost unimaginable.
  • wtfunny
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    5 years ago 03/28/2015 5:25am CDT
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    ventolin^3 wrote:

    he crushed idris, albeit this distance was too far for him

    idris was arguably number 1 over 5k last year, beating nkidu in a big circuit race in 12'54 & they were ambling for most of that

    he was worth well below 12'50 flat-out, so i think geoffrey woud be at least as quick

    5k woud never be in geoffrey's plans, albeit i reckon he coud go big way under 12'50 right now

    10k woud be the only track race he woud ever contemplate

    to run 27'06 at 18y & then give up track apart from coupla nairobi runs is ridiculous !!!

    What's ridiculous is the assumption that Idris' form last year implies, at all, anything whatsoever about Kipsang's current 5000m time.

    Idris was not #1 over 5000m last year.
    Idris 5000m time on a track says little about his XC performance.
    Idris 5000m time last year says little about his current fitness.
    "(Idris) was worth well below 12'50 flat-out, so i think geoffrey woud [sic] be at least as quick"

    This might be one of the most illogical, silliest, comments on LRC yet.

    Taking your (il)logic further:

    Gebrehiwet ran 12:47 in 2012, yet Idris crushed him today; ergo, Idris could break Bekele's wr or 12:37. But he'd be far behind Kipsang who breaks the 12:30 barrier.

    NB; next time, for further effect, use words like "quagmire" and "sodden", and phrases like "dead on his feet" and "on his deathbed".
  • KamwaROOOAR
    5 years ago 03/28/2015 5:34am CDT
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    Luckily for all involved, Kipsang and his manager are on exactly the same wavelength and their mutual interests ($$$) match up perfectly.

    Kipsang's family and community are far more interested in his earnings than what some Westerners think of his legacy in a few years!


    I am sure he will attempt to run fast in future years but not at the expense of ensuring that his nieces and nephews get to the go to secondary school or that his parents medical bills are taken care of - or just that he has a nice house and a decent car!



    ventolin^3 wrote:

    that manager is just getting a big, big chunk of geoffrey's x-country/road earnings

    he is doing nothing to help him develop a legacy fans will remember in a few years

    to do that he has to win some track medals & run fast times, which his manager seems uninterested in

    geoffrey is not a M threat & i've seen enough of them to tell you he never will be
  • cutesy monster man
    5 years ago 03/28/2015 5:56am CDT
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    I'd love to see him really attacking the 10,000m but we all know the 10,000m doesn't currently exist as a viable career option at the moment for men like him.

    The only thing counting against him is that marathon is that he appears a bigger build than has typically been successful at the event; extrapolating that he's wasting his time is an utter nonsense. People used to insist that marathon would always be the domain of short runners for reasons of heat exchange, and yet: Wilson Kipsang, Paula Radcliffe.

    My feeling is that his build might count against his longevity at marathon - obviously this is complete guesswork - but would be surprised if he didn't do some serious damage when he gets it right. He was with Kimetto and Mutai deep into Berlin 2014 and will hold on all the way one of these days.
  • Mr. Obvious
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    5 years ago 03/28/2015 8:20am CDT
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    Renato doesnt think very highly of your calculator.
  • Horst Girth
    5 years ago 03/28/2015 8:46am CDT
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    Ha, it's true that Kipsang's race choices are about earnings, and that is fine.

    The 10,000 on the track may be one of my favorite events, but as a career option, it's not the big money these days. It helps to be on the Nike payroll and coached by Alberto, if you really want to rake it in and be a 10,000 track specialist.

    I wish there was more support for the 10,000. I miss it. I think I'm in the minority.
  • cbenson4
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    5 years ago 03/28/2015 12:10pm CDT
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    he's great, and i can see 26:30, but sub 26:17? nah

    we don't know enough about his track ability to say that.. there aren't enough fast 10ks these days anyway..

    and 18 years old might not have actually been 18 years old
  • george oscar bluth
    5 years ago 03/28/2015 12:28pm CDT
    re: ventolin^3
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    I remember when you were royally wrong about Wilson Kiprop in the 2012 10000m.
  • TAA
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    5 years ago 03/28/2015 12:32pm CDT
    re: ventolin^3
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    2/10. Need to change your style ventolin
  • jeeej
    5 years ago 03/28/2015 12:34pm CDT
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    KamwaROOOAR wrote:

    Luckily for all involved, Kipsang and his manager are on exactly the same wavelength and their mutual interests ($$$) match up perfectly.

    Kipsang's family and community are far more interested in his earnings than what some Westerners think of his legacy in a few years!


    I am sure he will attempt to run fast in future years but not at the expense of ensuring that his nieces and nephews get to the go to secondary school or that his parents medical bills are taken care of - or just that he has a nice house and a decent car!

    Agree with your overall point.

    But how many nieces and nephews does this guy have? Seems like schools in that part of the world would cost pennies relative to what Kipsang earned in his first couple of big paydays.
  • true brit
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    5 years ago 03/28/2015 12:39pm CDT
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    This guy is exciting. If he runs the 10k at worlds (and it looks like he will given what he's said in the press conference today) it will completely change the dynamic of the race.

    Say goodbye to the Farah parade from 600 out (don't get me wrong I like seeing Mo win but it gets boring when he does it the same way every time).

    If Kamworor makes the worlds 10k as hard as he made the xc today the winning time could be as low as 26:3X, definitely sub-27! Mo Farah better hope he has the ability to run 24 laps in 25:30, let alone a 54-56 final lap to get away from Geoffrey!

    I'm soooooo excited this guy is unreal. No slouch in the home straight either he really turned it on the last 200! I cannot wait for the men's 10K. And if the race is really hard it opens up the 5K a bit more for the rest of the guys (Koech, Edris, Gebriwet, etc.) with a knackered Farah who's had to run a long way sub-27 to win/contend the 10k final and then run a heat for the 5k too...
  • yes sir!!!
    5 years ago 03/28/2015 12:55pm CDT
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    wtfunny wrote:

    ventolin^3 wrote:
    he crushed idris, albeit this distance was too far for him

    idris was arguably number 1 over 5k last year, beating nkidu in a big circuit race in 12'54 & they were ambling for most of that

    he was worth well below 12'50 flat-out, so i think geoffrey woud be at least as quick

    5k woud never be in geoffrey's plans, albeit i reckon he coud go big way under 12'50 right now

    10k woud be the only track race he woud ever contemplate

    to run 27'06 at 18y & then give up track apart from coupla nairobi runs is ridiculous !!!

    What's ridiculous is the assumption that Idris' form last year implies, at all, anything whatsoever about Kipsang's current 5000m time.

    Idris was not #1 over 5000m last year.
    Idris 5000m time on a track says little about his XC performance.
    Idris 5000m time last year says little about his current fitness.
    "(Idris) was worth well below 12'50 flat-out, so i think geoffrey woud [sic] be at least as quick"

    This might be one of the most illogical, silliest, comments on LRC yet.

    Taking your (il)logic further:

    Gebrehiwet ran 12:47 in 2012, yet Idris crushed him today; ergo, Idris could break Bekele's wr or 12:37. But he'd be far behind Kipsang who breaks the 12:30 barrier.

    NB; next time, for further effect, use words like "quagmire" and "sodden", and phrases like "dead on his feet" and "on his deathbed".


    +1 and the fact that it was an xc race today.
  • elmore345
    5 years ago 03/28/2015 2:10pm CDT
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    This guy is 22 (10 years younger than Mo) and run under 59 half marathon - wow, adios Mr Farah!!!
  • Farah force-it.
    5 years ago 03/28/2015 2:33pm CDT
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    elmore345 wrote:

    This guy is 22 (10 years younger than Mo) and run under 59 half marathon - wow, adios Mr Farah!!!

    You wish. I doubt his age, and it's a longtime to worlds, and there is that little matter of 3:28.......
  • Kapcherop
    5 years ago 03/28/2015 2:43pm CDT
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    For your information, Kamworor has said he is suspending his marathon ambitions and instead focus on the half marathon to see what the distance has for him. This is a very intelligent move from him. The training for both Half marathon and 10000m training are very much the same. And judging from what Florence Kiplagat, who is also coached by Renato Canova has been able to do, Kamworor is headed for BIG things! This year and next year Mo Farah should be prepared because the two 10000m championships will be won in 26'40" or faster. By early 2017 half marathon WR will be under 58'00", courtesy of Geoffrey Kipsang Kamworor.


    ventolin^3 wrote:
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    kenya has got a monsta 10k runner who coud grind mo & the rest of those ethiopians into oblivion but he's wasting his time on 1/2M & M's !!!???