Give me a history lesson: What 8k road race was in Newport Beacch in 1983 where 33rd place was 23:37?

The name of the race appears to be the Sub-4/Caprola 8k

Referenced on pg 19 here:
http://www.mastershistory.org/NMN/NMN-February-1984s.pdf

Also referenced on pg 19 here:
http://www.mastershistory.org/NMN/NMN-December-1983s.pdf

That was back when runners actually raced more than twice a year. Track, XC, Roads, Marathons you name it. Heck, there were college guys in the LA-San Diego area running 2:13 - 2:14 marathons in between seasons off of basic mileage with a long run thrown in once a week.

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31 23:32 Filbert Bayi (TAN) 10 Dec 1983 Newport
32 23:37 Chris Fox (WV/USA) 10 Dec 1983 Newport
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Far Out West wrote:

That was back when runners actually raced more than twice a year. Track, XC, Roads, Marathons you name it. Heck, there were college guys in the LA-San Diego area running 2:13 - 2:14 marathons in between seasons off of basic mileage with a long run thrown in once a week.

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According to the PaceMeister a 23:00 8k is equal to a 23:08 5 mile.
https://2008olympictrialsakatommyleonard.shutterfly.com/filecabinet2

Runners World 5 mile, Los Altos, CA 1/4/81

1. 22:04 Alberto Salazar OR
2. 22:07 Dave Moorcroft GB
3. 22:13 Nick Rose GB
4. 22:14 Thom Hunt AZ
5. 22:32 Adrian Royal GB
6. 22:35 Duncan McDonald WVTC
7. 22:46 Pete Pfitzinger
8. 22:47 Mike Musyoki KEN
9. 22:47 Terry Cotton AZ
10. 22:48 Peter Butler CAN
11. 22:49 Mark Nenow KY
12. 22:50 John Moreno CA
13. 22:57 Steve Scott CA
14. 23:00 Rod Dixon NZ
15. 23:02 George Malley MD
16. 23:07 Sydney Maree RSA
====================23:08 5mi = 23:00 8k==================
17. 23:09 Wilson Waigwa KEN
18. 23:11 Dan Aldrdge CA
19. 23:13 Paul Stemmer OR
20. 23:16 Ray Wicksell AZ
21. 23:23 Bob Verbeeck
22. 23:25 Ivan Huff CA
23. 23:28 Ron Cornell CA
24. 23:31 Benton Hart CA
25. 23:31 George Mason KS
26. 23:32 John Coningh CA
27. 23:34 Frank Shorter CO
28. 23:35 Tony Ramirez
29. 23:37 Don Paige PA
30. 23:40 Don Moses CA
31. 23:43 Mark Ruelas
32. 23:44 Terry Gibson CA
33. 23:45 Jim Van Dine
34. 23:47 Rod Lyons
35. 23;51 Jeff Hess
36. 23:54 Kevin Jones
37. 23:57 Roy Kissin
38. 23:59 Martti Vaino FIN
39. 24:02 Roy Hoglund
40. 24:06 Gary Fanelli

Rojo, you need to learn how to use the ARRS database.

2004 USA champs
http://more.arrs.net/race/56447

http://more.arrs.net/race/search/1/date/desc

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get off the start line wrote:

Ken Young must have the full race results in the database for '83 and we really do need to know who finished 1 through 6.

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The runner-up would set the world record in the 5000 about a year after that race.

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Sally Vixxxxxens wrote:

The runner-up would set the world record in the 5000 about a year after that race.

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Here you go...

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ucla/sports/m-track/auto_pdf/m-alltime-top10.pdf

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Flagged wrote:

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Sally Vixxxxxens wrote:

The runner-up would set the world record in the 5000 about a year after that race.

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You're mixing up races. Moorcroft was runnerup at Runners World. Rojo cited the 1983 Sub4 race.

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Far Out West wrote:

That was back when runners actually raced more than twice a year. Track, XC, Roads, Marathons you name it. Heck, there were college guys in the LA-San Diego area running 2:13 - 2:14 marathons in between seasons off of basic mileage with a long run thrown in once a week.

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malmo wrote:

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get off the start line wrote:

Ken Young must have the full race results in the database for '83 and we really do need to know who finished 1 through 6.

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The answer was right in front of you.

http://more.arrs.net/race/13868

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rojo wrote:

I am working on the Week That Was for this week and am going to have something about the Shamrockin' Run 8-K in New Orleans which had $70,000 in prize money + a $15,000 WR bonus and deep results as 7 guys broke 23:00. In trying to figure out how deep that was for a US road race, i headed over to http://www.arrs.net/BT_8K.htm and saw that there was an incredibly deep road race in new port beach in 1983 where 15 or 16 guys broke 23:00.

Old-timers, help give me a history lesson. What was the race? How did they get so many studs there in December? What was the prize money? Who won? I only know the finishers starting in th.
1 22:28 Gidamis Shahanga TAN 04 Sep 1957
2 22:31 Zackariah Barie TAN 29 May 1953
3 22:32 Simon Kigen KEN 01 Sep 1961
4 22:34 Steve Scott USA 18 Jun 1955
5 22:36 Bruce Bickford USA 12 Mar 1957
6 22:37 Mark Scrutton ENG 14 Apr 1960
7 22:37 Mark Curp USA 05 Jan 1959
8 22:38 Craig Virgin USA 02 Aug 1955
9 22:40 Paul Gorman USA 12 Jan 1956
10 22:41 David Murphy ENG 04 Mar 1957
11 22:48 Dan Aldridge USA 13 Sep 1956
12 22:49 Don Janicki USA 23 Apr 1960
13 22:50 Todd Harbour USA 24 Mar 1959
14 22:51 Matt Centrowitz USA 28 Jan 1955
15 22:53 Hank Pfeifle USA 21 Feb 1951

16 23:02 Tom Smith USA 09 Oct 1957
17 23:05 Steve Bishop USA 05 Sep 1959
18 23:08 Jerald Jones USA 20 Jun 1953
19 23:08 Harrison Koroso KEN 28 Sep 1964
20 23:09 Larry Cuzzort USA 20 Jul 1958
21 23:11 David Barney USA 18 Jan 1960
22 23:17 Domingo Tibaduiza Reyes COL 20 Nov 1950
23 23:19 David Daniels USA 28 Oct 1958
24 23:21 John Prasuhn USA
25 23:24 Martyn Brewer ENG 07 Oct 1956
26 23:26 Jonathon Stokka USA 18 Jun 1958
27 23:27 Bill McGrath USA 1958
28 23:28 Mark Ruelas USA
29 23:29 James Stintzi USA 17 Aug 1958
30 23:30 Manny Bautisa USA 07 May 1958
31 23:32 Filbert Bayi TAN 23 Jun 1953
32 23:37 Chris Fox USA 22 Oct 1958
33 23:37 John Koningh USA 24 Feb 1956
34 23:41 Armando Siqueiros USA 1958
35 23:46 Don Clary USA 29 Jul 1957
36 23:51 Roy Kissin USA 04 Feb 1957
37 23:56 David Segura USA 13 Sep 1958
38 23:57 Gary Gregory USA 05 Sep 1960
39 23:59 Randy Reina USA 31 Dec 1959

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I ran the Sub 4 8k in 1982 and remember it as a race where you just took off and tried to hang on to the pack as best you could. I vaguely remember coming through 2 miles in just over 9:00 and being in 20-30 place. Fearing of blowing up crossed my mind but then I jsut said run as hard as I can for as long as I can. Think I finished in low 23.20's and probably around 25th place. No prize money but the satisfaction I held on and competed with the big dogs.

that was good enough

There used to be a popular 8K evening race in Newport Beach called Bastille Day I think in the 90s.

They had some top masters show up and run well and set records. But this probably isn't the event you were looking for.

This is for Edward in case the link didn't work, throw in a 2:18 for good measure and 4 2:20's. The guy ranked 7th ran a 3:57 mile...all from the same school.

Marathon
(26 miles, 385 yards)
1) 2:13:21 Steve Ortiz 1981
2) 2:14:02 Rich Brownsberger 1986
3) 2:18:07 Dan Caprioglio 1983
4) 2:20:31 Willie Ayyad 1983
4) 2:20:31 Jerry Marsh 1983
6) 2:20.38 Kyle Shackleton 2008
7) 2:20:54 Ron Cornell 1979
8) 2:24:02 Mark Kushner 1975
9) 2:27:34 Vicken Simonian 1977

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Far Out West wrote:

That was back when runners actually raced more than twice a year. Track, XC, Roads, Marathons you name it. Heck, there were college guys in the LA-San Diego area running 2:13 - 2:14 marathons in between seasons off of basic mileage with a long run thrown in once a week.

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prove it. Show me the results from these collegian 2:13ers

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This race was the Sub4 national team championship where teams entered 5 runners with 3 counting (winning team was determined by adding the best 3 times of a team, not best 3 places). Winning team won $5000, 2nd - $3000 and 3rd - $1000. The winning individual won a Porsche 911 which was driven in front of the field. FYI the winner did have a drivers license. The winning team was New Balance w/ Bickford, Curp and Gorman and the 2nd team was Nike 4-Corners w/ Shahanga, Scrutton and Pfeifle. Can't remember 3rd place team.