Give me a history lesson: What 8k road race was in Newport Beacch in 1983 where 33rd place was 23:37?

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  • rojo
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    5 years ago 03/16/2015 10:39am CDT
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    I am working on the Week That Was for this week and am going to have something about the Shamrockin' Run 8-K in New Orleans which had $70,000 in prize money + a $15,000 WR bonus and deep results as 7 guys broke 23:00. In trying to figure out how deep that was for a US road race, i headed over to http://www.arrs.net/BT_8K.htm and saw that there was an incredibly deep road race in new port beach in 1983 where 15 or 16 guys broke 23:00.

    Old-timers, help give me a history lesson. What was the race? How did they get so many studs there in December? What was the prize money? Who won? I only know the finishers starting in th.

    7 22:37 Mark Curp (MO/USA) 10 Dec 1983 Newport Beach CA USA
    8 22:38 Craig Virgin (IL/USA) 10 Dec 1983 Newport Beach CA USA
    9 22:40 Paul Gorman (MA/USA) 10 Dec 1983Newport Beach CA USA
    10 22:41 David Murphy (KY/USA) 10 Dec 1983 Newport Beach CA
    11 22:48 Dan Aldridge (CA/USA) 10 Dec 1983Newport Beach CA USA
    12 22:49 Don Janicki (CO/USA) 10 Dec 1983 Newport Beach CA
    13 22:50 Todd Harbour (TX/USA) 10 Dec 1983 Newport
    14 22:51 Matt Centrowitz (MD/USA) 10 Dec 1983 Newport
    15 22:53 Hank Pfeifle (ME/USA) 10 Dec 1983 Newport
    17 23:05 Steve Bishop (CA/USA) 10 Dec 1983 Newport
    19 23:08 Harrison Koroso (AZ/KEN) 10 Dec 1983 Newport
    20 23:09 Larry Cuzzort (IN/USA) 10 Dec 1983 Newport
    21 23:11 David Barney (AZ/USA) 10 Dec 1983 Newport
    23 23:19 David Daniels (CA/USA) 10 Dec 1983 Newport
    24 23:21 John Prasuhn (CO/USA) 10 Dec 1983 Newport
    25 23:24 Martyn Brewer (KY/USA) 10 Dec 1983 Newport
    26 23:26 Jonathon Stokka (MN/USA) 10 Dec 1983 Newport
    27 23:27 Bill McGrath (OH/USA) 10 Dec 1983 Newport
    28 23:28 Mark Ruelas (USA) 10 Dec 1983 Newport
    29 23:29 James Stintzi (WI/USA) 10 Dec 1983 Newport
    30 23:30 Manny Bautisa (CA/USA) 10 Dec 1983 Newport
    31 23:32 Filbert Bayi (TAN) 10 Dec 1983 Newport
    32 23:37 Chris Fox (WV/USA) 10 Dec 1983 Newport
    33 23:37 John Koningh (CA/USA) 10 Dec 1983 Newport
  • Back Bay AC
    5 years ago 03/16/2015 11:27am CDT
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    The name of the race appears to be the Sub-4/Caprola 8k

    Referenced on pg 19 here:
    http://www.mastershistory.org/NMN/NMN-February-1984s.pdf

    Also referenced on pg 19 here:
    http://www.mastershistory.org/NMN/NMN-December-1983s.pdf
  • Far Out West
    5 years ago 03/16/2015 11:35am CDT
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    That was back when runners actually raced more than twice a year. Track, XC, Roads, Marathons you name it. Heck, there were college guys in the LA-San Diego area running 2:13 - 2:14 marathons in between seasons off of basic mileage with a long run thrown in once a week.
  • get off the start line
    5 years ago 03/16/2015 12:33pm CDT
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    31 23:32 Filbert Bayi (TAN) 10 Dec 1983 Newport
    32 23:37 Chris Fox (WV/USA) 10 Dec 1983 Newport
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    Filbert Bayi and Chris Fox get 31 and 32, ha ha, think I'd have stayed in bed for that one.

    From the masters news clips, looks like the times were local class the next year ('84) so probably one of those races that had the big money for one year and not much of a history otherwise.

    Ken Young must have the full race results in the database for '83 and we really do need to know who finished 1 through 6.
  • edward teach
    5 years ago 03/16/2015 12:56pm CDT
    re: Far Out West
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    Far Out West wrote:

    That was back when runners actually raced more than twice a year. Track, XC, Roads, Marathons you name it. Heck, there were college guys in the LA-San Diego area running 2:13 - 2:14 marathons in between seasons off of basic mileage with a long run thrown in once a week.

    prove it. Show me the results from these collegian 2:13ers
  • malmo
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    5 years ago 03/16/2015 12:58pm CDT
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    According to the PaceMeister a 23:00 8k is equal to a 23:08 5 mile.
    https://2008olympictrialsakatommyleonard.shutterfly.com/filecabinet2

    Runners World 5 mile, Los Altos, CA 1/4/81

    1. 22:04 Alberto Salazar OR
    2. 22:07 Dave Moorcroft GB
    3. 22:13 Nick Rose GB
    4. 22:14 Thom Hunt AZ
    5. 22:32 Adrian Royal GB
    6. 22:35 Duncan McDonald WVTC
    7. 22:46 Pete Pfitzinger
    8. 22:47 Mike Musyoki KEN
    9. 22:47 Terry Cotton AZ
    10. 22:48 Peter Butler CAN
    11. 22:49 Mark Nenow KY
    12. 22:50 John Moreno CA
    13. 22:57 Steve Scott CA
    14. 23:00 Rod Dixon NZ
    15. 23:02 George Malley MD
    16. 23:07 Sydney Maree RSA
    ====================23:08 5mi = 23:00 8k==================
    17. 23:09 Wilson Waigwa KEN
    18. 23:11 Dan Aldrdge CA
    19. 23:13 Paul Stemmer OR
    20. 23:16 Ray Wicksell AZ
    21. 23:23 Bob Verbeeck
    22. 23:25 Ivan Huff CA
    23. 23:28 Ron Cornell CA
    24. 23:31 Benton Hart CA
    25. 23:31 George Mason KS
    26. 23:32 John Coningh CA
    27. 23:34 Frank Shorter CO
    28. 23:35 Tony Ramirez
    29. 23:37 Don Paige PA
    30. 23:40 Don Moses CA
    31. 23:43 Mark Ruelas
    32. 23:44 Terry Gibson CA
    33. 23:45 Jim Van Dine
    34. 23:47 Rod Lyons
    35. 23;51 Jeff Hess
    36. 23:54 Kevin Jones
    37. 23:57 Roy Kissin
    38. 23:59 Martti Vaino FIN
    39. 24:02 Roy Hoglund
    40. 24:06 Gary Fanelli
  • malmo
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    5 years ago 03/16/2015 1:08pm CDT
    re: rojo
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    Rojo, you need to learn how to use the ARRS database.

    2004 USA champs
    http://more.arrs.net/race/56447

    http://more.arrs.net/race/search/1/date/desc
  • malmo
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    5 years ago 03/16/2015 1:12pm CDT
    re: get off the start line
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    get off the start line wrote:

    Ken Young must have the full race results in the database for '83 and we really do need to know who finished 1 through 6.

    The answer was right in front of you.

    http://more.arrs.net/race/13868
  • Sally Vixxxxxens
    5 years ago 03/16/2015 1:26pm CDT
    re: rojo
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    The runner-up would set the world record in the 5000 about a year after that race.
  • Flagged
    5 years ago 03/16/2015 1:30pm CDT
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    Sally Vixxxxxens wrote:

    The runner-up would set the world record in the 5000 about a year after that race.

    You're mixing up races. Moorcroft was runnerup at Runners World. Rojo cited the 1983 Sub4 race.
  • Far Out West
    5 years ago 03/16/2015 1:34pm CDT
    re: edward teach
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    Here you go...

    http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ucla/sports/m-track/auto_pdf/m-alltime-top10.pdf
  • Sally V
    5 years ago 03/16/2015 1:39pm CDT
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    Flagged wrote:

    Sally Vixxxxxens wrote:

    The runner-up would set the world record in the 5000 about a year after that race.

    You're mixing up races. Moorcroft was runnerup at Runners World. Rojo cited the 1983 Sub4 race.


    Yes you are correct. I did mix them up.
  • runn
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    5 years ago 03/16/2015 1:41pm CDT
    re: Far Out West
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    Far Out West wrote:

    That was back when runners actually raced more than twice a year. Track, XC, Roads, Marathons you name it. Heck, there were college guys in the LA-San Diego area running 2:13 - 2:14 marathons in between seasons off of basic mileage with a long run thrown in once a week.


    THIS!!!!!!!! Our guys have to start racing again!!!
  • get off the start line
    5 years ago 03/16/2015 1:49pm CDT
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    malmo wrote:

    get off the start line wrote:

    Ken Young must have the full race results in the database for '83 and we really do need to know who finished 1 through 6.

    The answer was right in front of you.

    http://more.arrs.net/race/13868


    Thanks. I scanned the arrs.net page for a search link but didn't see the connect link to more.arrs.net

    In addition to 1-6, who are predictably stellar, there are a lot of great names down to place 50 (Kim McDonald, etc) so worth a reproduce:

    1 22:28 Gidamis Shahanga TAN 04 Sep 1957
    2 22:31 Zackariah Barie TAN 29 May 1953
    3 22:32 Simon Kigen KEN 01 Sep 1961
    4 22:34 Steve Scott USA 18 Jun 1955
    5 22:36 Bruce Bickford USA 12 Mar 1957
    6 22:37 Mark Scrutton ENG 14 Apr 1960
    7 22:37 Mark Curp USA 05 Jan 1959
    8 22:38 Craig Virgin USA 02 Aug 1955
    9 22:40 Paul Gorman USA 12 Jan 1956
    10 22:41 David Murphy ENG 04 Mar 1957
    11 22:48 Dan Aldridge USA 13 Sep 1956
    12 22:49 Don Janicki USA 23 Apr 1960
    13 22:50 Todd Harbour USA 24 Mar 1959
    14 22:51 Matt Centrowitz USA 28 Jan 1955
    15 22:53 Hank Pfeifle USA 21 Feb 1951
    16 23:02 Tom Smith USA 09 Oct 1957
    17 23:05 Steve Bishop USA 05 Sep 1959
    18 23:08 Jerald Jones USA 20 Jun 1953
    19 23:08 Harrison Koroso KEN 28 Sep 1964
    20 23:09 Larry Cuzzort USA 20 Jul 1958
    21 23:11 David Barney USA 18 Jan 1960
    22 23:17 Domingo Tibaduiza Reyes COL 20 Nov 1950
    23 23:19 David Daniels USA 28 Oct 1958
    24 23:21 John Prasuhn USA
    25 23:24 Martyn Brewer ENG 07 Oct 1956
    26 23:26 Jonathon Stokka USA 18 Jun 1958
    27 23:27 Bill McGrath USA 1958
    28 23:28 Mark Ruelas USA
    29 23:29 James Stintzi USA 17 Aug 1958
    30 23:30 Manny Bautisa USA 07 May 1958
    31 23:32 Filbert Bayi TAN 23 Jun 1953
    32 23:37 Chris Fox USA 22 Oct 1958
    33 23:37 John Koningh USA 24 Feb 1956
    34 23:41 Armando Siqueiros USA 1958
    35 23:46 Don Clary USA 29 Jul 1957
    36 23:51 Roy Kissin USA 04 Feb 1957
    37 23:56 David Segura USA 13 Sep 1958
    38 23:57 Gary Gregory USA 05 Sep 1960
    39 23:59 Randy Reina USA 31 Dec 1959
    40 24:10 Jon Butler USA 07 Sep 1962
    42 24:16 Greg Beardsley USA 14 Dec 1961
    43 24:18 Sean Evans USA
    44 24:18 Kim McDonald ENG 27 Sep 1956
    45 24:20 Jesus Gutierrez USA 1965
    47 24:22 Tom Bryant USA 26 Jun 1953
    48 24:26 Carey Simons USA 1960
    49 24:30 Dave Babiracki USA 22 Jul 1957
    50 24:32 Ron Cornell USA 16 Jun 1959
  • malmo
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    5 years ago 03/16/2015 1:51pm CDT
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    rojo wrote:

    I am working on the Week That Was for this week and am going to have something about the Shamrockin' Run 8-K in New Orleans which had $70,000 in prize money + a $15,000 WR bonus and deep results as 7 guys broke 23:00. In trying to figure out how deep that was for a US road race, i headed over to http://www.arrs.net/BT_8K.htm and saw that there was an incredibly deep road race in new port beach in 1983 where 15 or 16 guys broke 23:00.

    Old-timers, help give me a history lesson. What was the race? How did they get so many studs there in December? What was the prize money? Who won? I only know the finishers starting in th.
    1 22:28 Gidamis Shahanga TAN 04 Sep 1957
    2 22:31 Zackariah Barie TAN 29 May 1953
    3 22:32 Simon Kigen KEN 01 Sep 1961
    4 22:34 Steve Scott USA 18 Jun 1955
    5 22:36 Bruce Bickford USA 12 Mar 1957
    6 22:37 Mark Scrutton ENG 14 Apr 1960
    7 22:37 Mark Curp USA 05 Jan 1959
    8 22:38 Craig Virgin USA 02 Aug 1955
    9 22:40 Paul Gorman USA 12 Jan 1956
    10 22:41 David Murphy ENG 04 Mar 1957
    11 22:48 Dan Aldridge USA 13 Sep 1956
    12 22:49 Don Janicki USA 23 Apr 1960
    13 22:50 Todd Harbour USA 24 Mar 1959
    14 22:51 Matt Centrowitz USA 28 Jan 1955
    15 22:53 Hank Pfeifle USA 21 Feb 1951

    16 23:02 Tom Smith USA 09 Oct 1957
    17 23:05 Steve Bishop USA 05 Sep 1959
    18 23:08 Jerald Jones USA 20 Jun 1953
    19 23:08 Harrison Koroso KEN 28 Sep 1964
    20 23:09 Larry Cuzzort USA 20 Jul 1958
    21 23:11 David Barney USA 18 Jan 1960
    22 23:17 Domingo Tibaduiza Reyes COL 20 Nov 1950
    23 23:19 David Daniels USA 28 Oct 1958
    24 23:21 John Prasuhn USA
    25 23:24 Martyn Brewer ENG 07 Oct 1956
    26 23:26 Jonathon Stokka USA 18 Jun 1958
    27 23:27 Bill McGrath USA 1958
    28 23:28 Mark Ruelas USA
    29 23:29 James Stintzi USA 17 Aug 1958
    30 23:30 Manny Bautisa USA 07 May 1958
    31 23:32 Filbert Bayi TAN 23 Jun 1953
    32 23:37 Chris Fox USA 22 Oct 1958
    33 23:37 John Koningh USA 24 Feb 1956
    34 23:41 Armando Siqueiros USA 1958
    35 23:46 Don Clary USA 29 Jul 1957
    36 23:51 Roy Kissin USA 04 Feb 1957
    37 23:56 David Segura USA 13 Sep 1958
    38 23:57 Gary Gregory USA 05 Sep 1960
    39 23:59 Randy Reina USA 31 Dec 1959

    fixed that for you. and finally...prize money? LOL
  • cgray
    5 years ago 03/16/2015 5:23pm CDT
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    I ran the Sub 4 8k in 1982 and remember it as a race where you just took off and tried to hang on to the pack as best you could. I vaguely remember coming through 2 miles in just over 9:00 and being in 20-30 place. Fearing of blowing up crossed my mind but then I jsut said run as hard as I can for as long as I can. Think I finished in low 23.20's and probably around 25th place. No prize money but the satisfaction I held on and competed with the big dogs.

    that was good enough
  • Seth Cohen
    5 years ago 03/16/2015 6:24pm CDT
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    There used to be a popular 8K evening race in Newport Beach called Bastille Day I think in the 90s.

    They had some top masters show up and run well and set records. But this probably isn't the event you were looking for.
  • Far Out West
    5 years ago 03/16/2015 11:04pm CDT
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    This is for Edward in case the link didn't work, throw in a 2:18 for good measure and 4 2:20's. The guy ranked 7th ran a 3:57 mile...all from the same school.

    Marathon
    (26 miles, 385 yards)
    1) 2:13:21 Steve Ortiz 1981
    2) 2:14:02 Rich Brownsberger 1986
    3) 2:18:07 Dan Caprioglio 1983
    4) 2:20:31 Willie Ayyad 1983
    4) 2:20:31 Jerry Marsh 1983
    6) 2:20.38 Kyle Shackleton 2008
    7) 2:20:54 Ron Cornell 1979
    8) 2:24:02 Mark Kushner 1975
    9) 2:27:34 Vicken Simonian 1977
  • ed ward tech
    5 years ago 03/18/2015 4:04pm CDT
    re: edward teach
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    edward teach wrote:

    Far Out West wrote:

    That was back when runners actually raced more than twice a year. Track, XC, Roads, Marathons you name it. Heck, there were college guys in the LA-San Diego area running 2:13 - 2:14 marathons in between seasons off of basic mileage with a long run thrown in once a week.

    prove it. Show me the results from these collegian 2:13ers


    Wasn't that basically what AlSal did when he debuted with a 2:09? Used up his eligibility and went to race in Oregon kit?

    Guys back there didn't have income from shoe company deals and were not afraid to go earn a living on the roads.
  • Hank Pfeifle
    3 years ago 09/29/2016 2:27pm CDT
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    This race was the Sub4 national team championship where teams entered 5 runners with 3 counting (winning team was determined by adding the best 3 times of a team, not best 3 places). Winning team won $5000, 2nd - $3000 and 3rd - $1000. The winning individual won a Porsche 911 which was driven in front of the field. FYI the winner did have a drivers license. The winning team was New Balance w/ Bickford, Curp and Gorman and the 2nd team was Nike 4-Corners w/ Shahanga, Scrutton and Pfeifle. Can't remember 3rd place team.