Give me a history lesson: What 8k road race was in Newport Beacch in 1983 where 33rd place was 23:37?

The name of the race appears to be the Sub-4/Caprola 8k

Referenced on pg 19 here:

http://www.mastershistory.org/NMN/NMN-February-1984s.pdf

Also referenced on pg 19 here:

http://www.mastershistory.org/NMN/NMN-December-1983s.pdf

That was back when runners actually raced more than twice a year. Track, XC, Roads, Marathons you name it. Heck, there were college guys in the LA-San Diego area running 2:13 - 2:14 marathons in between seasons off of basic mileage with a long run thrown in once a week.

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31 23:32 Filbert Bayi (TAN) 10 Dec 1983 Newport

32 23:37 Chris Fox (WV/USA) 10 Dec 1983 Newport

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Filbert Bayi and Chris Fox get 31 and 32, ha ha, think I'd have stayed in bed for that one.

From the masters news clips, looks like the times were local class the next year ('84) so probably one of those races that had the big money for one year and not much of a history otherwise.

Ken Young must have the full race results in the database for '83 and we really do need to know who finished 1 through 6.

Far Out West wrote:

That was back when runners actually raced more than twice a year. Track, XC, Roads, Marathons you name it. Heck, there were college guys in the LA-San Diego area running 2:13 - 2:14 marathons in between seasons off of basic mileage with a long run thrown in once a week.

prove it. Show me the results from these collegian 2:13ers

According to the PaceMeister a 23:00 8k is equal to a 23:08 5 mile.

https://2008olympictrialsakatommyleonard.shutterfly.com/filecabinet2

Runners World 5 mile, Los Altos, CA 1/4/81

1. 22:04 Alberto Salazar OR

2. 22:07 Dave Moorcroft GB

3. 22:13 Nick Rose GB

4. 22:14 Thom Hunt AZ

5. 22:32 Adrian Royal GB

6. 22:35 Duncan McDonald WVTC

7. 22:46 Pete Pfitzinger

8. 22:47 Mike Musyoki KEN

9. 22:47 Terry Cotton AZ

10. 22:48 Peter Butler CAN

11. 22:49 Mark Nenow KY

12. 22:50 John Moreno CA

13. 22:57 Steve Scott CA

14. 23:00 Rod Dixon NZ

15. 23:02 George Malley MD

16. 23:07 Sydney Maree RSA

====================23:08 5mi = 23:00 8k==================

17. 23:09 Wilson Waigwa KEN

18. 23:11 Dan Aldrdge CA

19. 23:13 Paul Stemmer OR

20. 23:16 Ray Wicksell AZ

21. 23:23 Bob Verbeeck

22. 23:25 Ivan Huff CA

23. 23:28 Ron Cornell CA

24. 23:31 Benton Hart CA

25. 23:31 George Mason KS

26. 23:32 John Coningh CA

27. 23:34 Frank Shorter CO

28. 23:35 Tony Ramirez

29. 23:37 Don Paige PA

30. 23:40 Don Moses CA

31. 23:43 Mark Ruelas

32. 23:44 Terry Gibson CA

33. 23:45 Jim Van Dine

34. 23:47 Rod Lyons

35. 23;51 Jeff Hess

36. 23:54 Kevin Jones

37. 23:57 Roy Kissin

38. 23:59 Martti Vaino FIN

39. 24:02 Roy Hoglund

40. 24:06 Gary Fanelli

Rojo, you need to learn how to use the ARRS database.

2004 USA champs

http://more.arrs.net/race/56447

http://more.arrs.net/race/search/1/date/desc

get off the start line wrote:

Ken Young must have the full race results in the database for '83 and we really do need to know who finished 1 through 6.

The answer was right in front of you.

The runner-up would set the world record in the 5000 about a year after that race.

Sally Vixxxxxens wrote:

The runner-up would set the world record in the 5000 about a year after that race.

You're mixing up races. Moorcroft was runnerup at Runners World. Rojo cited the 1983 Sub4 race.

Here you go...

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ucla/sports/m-track/auto_pdf/m-alltime-top10.pdf

Flagged wrote:

Sally Vixxxxxens wrote:

The runner-up would set the world record in the 5000 about a year after that race.

You're mixing up races. Moorcroft was runnerup at Runners World. Rojo cited the 1983 Sub4 race.

Yes you are correct. I did mix them up.

Far Out West wrote:

That was back when runners actually raced more than twice a year. Track, XC, Roads, Marathons you name it. Heck, there were college guys in the LA-San Diego area running 2:13 - 2:14 marathons in between seasons off of basic mileage with a long run thrown in once a week.

THIS!!!!!!!! Our guys have to start racing again!!!

malmo wrote:

get off the start line wrote:

Ken Young must have the full race results in the database for '83 and we really do need to know who finished 1 through 6.

The answer was right in front of you.

http://more.arrs.net/race/13868

Thanks. I scanned the arrs.net page for a search link but didn't see the connect link to more.arrs.net

In addition to 1-6, who are predictably stellar, there are a lot of great names down to place 50 (Kim McDonald, etc) so worth a reproduce:

1 22:28 Gidamis Shahanga TAN 04 Sep 1957

2 22:31 Zackariah Barie TAN 29 May 1953

3 22:32 Simon Kigen KEN 01 Sep 1961

4 22:34 Steve Scott USA 18 Jun 1955

5 22:36 Bruce Bickford USA 12 Mar 1957

6 22:37 Mark Scrutton ENG 14 Apr 1960

7 22:37 Mark Curp USA 05 Jan 1959

8 22:38 Craig Virgin USA 02 Aug 1955

9 22:40 Paul Gorman USA 12 Jan 1956

10 22:41 David Murphy ENG 04 Mar 1957

11 22:48 Dan Aldridge USA 13 Sep 1956

12 22:49 Don Janicki USA 23 Apr 1960

13 22:50 Todd Harbour USA 24 Mar 1959

14 22:51 Matt Centrowitz USA 28 Jan 1955

15 22:53 Hank Pfeifle USA 21 Feb 1951

16 23:02 Tom Smith USA 09 Oct 1957

17 23:05 Steve Bishop USA 05 Sep 1959

18 23:08 Jerald Jones USA 20 Jun 1953

19 23:08 Harrison Koroso KEN 28 Sep 1964

20 23:09 Larry Cuzzort USA 20 Jul 1958

21 23:11 David Barney USA 18 Jan 1960

22 23:17 Domingo Tibaduiza Reyes COL 20 Nov 1950

23 23:19 David Daniels USA 28 Oct 1958

24 23:21 John Prasuhn USA

25 23:24 Martyn Brewer ENG 07 Oct 1956

26 23:26 Jonathon Stokka USA 18 Jun 1958

27 23:27 Bill McGrath USA 1958

28 23:28 Mark Ruelas USA

29 23:29 James Stintzi USA 17 Aug 1958

30 23:30 Manny Bautisa USA 07 May 1958

31 23:32 Filbert Bayi TAN 23 Jun 1953

32 23:37 Chris Fox USA 22 Oct 1958

33 23:37 John Koningh USA 24 Feb 1956

34 23:41 Armando Siqueiros USA 1958

35 23:46 Don Clary USA 29 Jul 1957

36 23:51 Roy Kissin USA 04 Feb 1957

37 23:56 David Segura USA 13 Sep 1958

38 23:57 Gary Gregory USA 05 Sep 1960

39 23:59 Randy Reina USA 31 Dec 1959

40 24:10 Jon Butler USA 07 Sep 1962

42 24:16 Greg Beardsley USA 14 Dec 1961

43 24:18 Sean Evans USA

44 24:18 Kim McDonald ENG 27 Sep 1956

45 24:20 Jesus Gutierrez USA 1965

47 24:22 Tom Bryant USA 26 Jun 1953

48 24:26 Carey Simons USA 1960

49 24:30 Dave Babiracki USA 22 Jul 1957

50 24:32 Ron Cornell USA 16 Jun 1959

fixed that for you. and finally...prize money? LOL

I ran the Sub 4 8k in 1982 and remember it as a race where you just took off and tried to hang on to the pack as best you could. I vaguely remember coming through 2 miles in just over 9:00 and being in 20-30 place. Fearing of blowing up crossed my mind but then I jsut said run as hard as I can for as long as I can. Think I finished in low 23.20's and probably around 25th place. No prize money but the satisfaction I held on and competed with the big dogs.

that was good enough

There used to be a popular 8K evening race in Newport Beach called Bastille Day I think in the 90s.

They had some top masters show up and run well and set records. But this probably isn't the event you were looking for.

This is for Edward in case the link didn't work, throw in a 2:18 for good measure and 4 2:20's. The guy ranked 7th ran a 3:57 mile...all from the same school.

Marathon

(26 miles, 385 yards)

1) 2:13:21 Steve Ortiz 1981

2) 2:14:02 Rich Brownsberger 1986

3) 2:18:07 Dan Caprioglio 1983

4) 2:20:31 Willie Ayyad 1983

4) 2:20:31 Jerry Marsh 1983

6) 2:20.38 Kyle Shackleton 2008

7) 2:20:54 Ron Cornell 1979

8) 2:24:02 Mark Kushner 1975

9) 2:27:34 Vicken Simonian 1977

edward teach wrote:

Far Out West wrote:

That was back when runners actually raced more than twice a year. Track, XC, Roads, Marathons you name it. Heck, there were college guys in the LA-San Diego area running 2:13 - 2:14 marathons in between seasons off of basic mileage with a long run thrown in once a week.

prove it. Show me the results from these collegian 2:13ers

Wasn't that basically what AlSal did when he debuted with a 2:09? Used up his eligibility and went to race in Oregon kit?

Guys back there didn't have income from shoe company deals and were not afraid to go earn a living on the roads.

This race was the Sub4 national team championship where teams entered 5 runners with 3 counting (winning team was determined by adding the best 3 times of a team, not best 3 places). Winning team won $5000, 2nd - $3000 and 3rd - $1000. The winning individual won a Porsche 911 which was driven in front of the field. FYI the winner did have a drivers license. The winning team was New Balance w/ Bickford, Curp and Gorman and the 2nd team was Nike 4-Corners w/ Shahanga, Scrutton and Pfeifle. Can't remember 3rd place team.