I’m interested in what states have a final outdoor track and field meet that is “all-class” or “all-division” or “meet of champions.”
Basically, a final meet where all the athletes, from big and small schools, have a chance to compete head to head.
I believe California and New Jersey have these.
Do any other states?
Thanks
Massachusetts has it's all state meet., tho private schools cannot compete.
Minnesota used to have single class for the high school state hockey tournament. The beginning of the end came when they went to two classes.
Arkansas has a Meet of Champs that comes after the normal state meets for each class. Some view it has more of an afterthought though. Kind of depends on how the event shakes up. If, say, 1600 meters is dominated by the largest class, then most view the winner of the largest class championship as the true champion, no matter what happens in the Meet of Champs.
However, if the best two 800 meter runners are from different classes, then the Meet of Champs holds more weight.
Indiana is a single class system.
The guy who won the 6 went to a private school...
PA is developing an all-class high school championship meet of sorts with the John Hay Memorial Distance Festival at West Chester. Though it's only distance events, a lot of the state's best runners from all classifications compete in it.
CT does
Montana has separate State meets for the 4 classes, but also has 3 regional Top-10 meets that invite the top 10 times from all schools.
RI does, private schools, public schools- everything
ererg wrote:
Massachusetts has it's all state meet., tho private schools cannot compete.
MIAA member schools, including the private ones, can participate in the MA state meet. Not all private schools are MIAA members.
New York has an all-class state meet in track, with the distance events being run with everyone from public, private, Catholic, and independent schools. Everything 800 and down is split into big school and small school divisions in the prelims, but in the finals it's an all-class race.
Also, there are separate podiums for big school and small school, but one can also medal in the whole state, which is called a "federation" medal. So a small school kid who placed 18th overall in the 200 prelims might get 6th out of all the small school kids and still get a medal for that, and a big school kid who wins the whole state outright will get a big school medal and a federation medal.
In cross country there are separate championships for public, private, Catholic, and independent schools, but they all meet up in the Federation Meet. However, a lot of the top public schools opt out of Federations, like Fayetteville-Manlius, because of how close it is to the Footlocker and Nike Cross regional races. The Federation Meet in cross country isn't nearly as prestigious as it should be but it's still the all-class New York State Championship Meet.
Connecticut has an all-class State Open meet after the individual class meets are over.
In cross country there are separate championships for public, private, Catholic, and independent schools, but they all meet up in the Federation Meet. However, a lot of the top public schools opt out of Federations, like Fayetteville-Manlius, because of how close it is to the Footlocker and Nike Cross regional races. The Federation Meet in cross country isn't nearly as prestigious as it should be but it's still the all-class New York State Championship Meet.
Read more:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6365281#ixzz3Thk4hW2U
This is sad- I love the Federation Meet but I also support the Nike NY Regional.
The only "problem" with the Fed XC Meet is the way they pick teams and individuals:
Since they want representation from all four groups (NYSPHSAA, PSAL, CHSAA, AAIS) they leave out some very good teams and even individuals.
There are 27 teams but really, only the top 19-20 are represented.
Then, like you said, you have teams opting out.
Oklahoma has a Meet of Champions where 1st, 2nd, and 3rd individual state finishers compete all in one meet, but there are no teams. They run relays at the meet but the teams are made up of whoever qualified for the meet that wants to be on a team.
Oregon and Washington have the Borderclash meet.
agc5k wrote:
Oregon and Washington have the Borderclash meet.
Not even close to what the OP is talking about. Not allowed to represent high school, not at 5k distance, coach not allowed to coach you for this meet.
The Bayman wrote:
New York has an all-class state meet in track, with the distance events being run with everyone from public, private, Catholic, and independent schools. Everything 800 and down is split into big school and small school divisions in the prelims, but in the finals it's an all-class race.
Also, there are separate podiums for big school and small school, but one can also medal in the whole state, which is called a "federation" medal. So a small school kid who placed 18th overall in the 200 prelims might get 6th out of all the small school kids and still get a medal for that, and a big school kid who wins the whole state outright will get a big school medal and a federation medal.
In cross country there are separate championships for public, private, Catholic, and independent schools, but they all meet up in the Federation Meet. However, a lot of the top public schools opt out of Federations, like Fayetteville-Manlius, because of how close it is to the Footlocker and Nike Cross regional races. The Federation Meet in cross country isn't nearly as prestigious as it should be but it's still the all-class New York State Championship Meet.
Forgot to mention that the track format I discussed is just for outdoor track. In indoor track there's a one day, all-class meet with no distinction between big schools or small schools. 6 fastest times medal, simple.
Indoor in some counties and leagues is a lot easier to qualify for the State Meet than in outdoor track because the top two people qualify plus another if they get the qualifying standard, plus a fourth if it's an event on the intersectional relay, while in others it's incredibly harder because there's no automatic qualifier for the small school kids like in outdoor, and only one school can qualify in each relay event.
runn wrote:
In cross country there are separate championships for public, private, Catholic, and independent schools, but they all meet up in the Federation Meet. However, a lot of the top public schools opt out of Federations, like Fayetteville-Manlius, because of how close it is to the Footlocker and Nike Cross regional races. The Federation Meet in cross country isn't nearly as prestigious as it should be but it's still the all-class New York State Championship Meet.
Read more:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6365281#ixzz3Thk4hW2UThis is sad- I love the Federation Meet but I also support the Nike NY Regional.
The only "problem" with the Fed XC Meet is the way they pick teams and individuals:
Since they want representation from all four groups (NYSPHSAA, PSAL, CHSAA, AAIS) they leave out some very good teams and even individuals.
There are 27 teams but really, only the top 19-20 are represented.
Then, like you said, you have teams opting out.
Yeah, the worst thing about the Federation Meet is the fact that the way to get into it isn't by a definite time or finish. If the qualifying guidelines were set in stone and people didn't have to put in bids to get into Feds, it would have much more respect as an event.
Minnesota has a 2 class system for T&F, and keeps records for both at a seperate state meet staged same day at the same venue, Hamline Univ. AA in morning, A in afternoon. Prelims on Friday, Finals on Saturday. Hamline hosts an all class elite meet mid season, where the best A and AA athletes can compete against each other.