Georgetown has three milers in the 3:58s and none qualified for Nationals. I doubt that's ever happened before. Anyone know of a situation like that in the past? They'd be competitive to win a 4 x Mile against anyone.
Georgetown has three milers in the 3:58s and none qualified for Nationals. I doubt that's ever happened before. Anyone know of a situation like that in the past? They'd be competitive to win a 4 x Mile against anyone.
sc42 wrote:
Georgetown has three milers in the 3:58s and none qualified for Nationals. I doubt that's ever happened before. Anyone know of a situation like that in the past? They'd be competitive to win a 4 x Mile against anyone.
I'm basically certain a team with three 3:58 guys has never had none of them qualify for NCAAs, but one of them could get in.
Their #1 guy is #18. They take 16. #17 is Geoghegan of Oregon who is probably just doing the 3k.
Here's a question for you? Are you sure they even want to run the mile. They are #3 in the DMR. Maybe they'll focus on that. Also, does the NCAA still let 'extra guys' get in to open events if they are already doing another event. If he's there for the DMR, in year's past, they ocasionally let them do open events.
As for being competitive for the 4 x mile win, I disagree. It comes down to the anchor. Oregon has 4 guys at 3:58 or better and Cheserek on the anchor and thus would kill them.
But can we get these teams to agree to run Penn Relays 4 x mile and go sub-16? That would be awesome. Or maybe we should run it at Oregon, Let's have them set it up at home as it's windy at hell. A one off event where the goal is sub-16. I don't think sub-4 on each leg is happening (that would be a few years down the road).
There's no need for a full meet. Just a one-off event at night under the lights. Hell I sponsor it and pay for all of the travel is i can have the rights to it.
Oklahoma State has 3 guys a 3:590 plus Clarkson who has gone sub-4 in the past so they could come as well.
I'd bet at the least Bartelsmeyer gets in, or have they released declarations already and I missed it?
They also have the first guy out in the 800 who I'll prob get in cause I doubt Soratos is not going to run the 800.
With that said, they may stack the DMR as most of their team is underclassmen. It worked out for a fresh Stanford squad last year.
rojo wrote:
[quote]sc42 wrote:
I don't think sub-4 on each leg is happening (that would be a few years down the road).
A few years down the road? With what team? Oregon currently has Cheserek (3:56.4/3:36.5), Gregorek (3:57.4), Winn (3:57.6), and Jenkins split 3:57 on their DMR this weekend. They all have 2 seconds to spare; barring catastrophe it should be within their grasp, and I doubt there will be another squad as good as them any time soon. Not to mention they have a backup 3:58 guy in Geoghegan
I have no idea if any or all of them would declare for the mile if they get in, but I'd let them double with the DMR if they wanted to and had the chance (though might not encourage a double with someone like Soratos who's #1 in the mile and #11 in the 800, just because a shot at being champion might not come along too often). It just caught my eye looking at the descending order lists.
I agree that Oregon would *probably* beat them in a 4 X Mile, but as I recall, everyone thought Penn State was going to beat them at home in the DMR, and that didn't happen.
I completely agree that getting those 2 teams and OKState on the line at Penn Relays or as a special event at Oregon Twilight or Oregon Relays would be awesome.
Looking at the list of declared athletes here (http://www.rtspt.com/ncaa/d1indoor15/men_review.htm), only one of their guys -- Ahmed Bile (#19 on the list) -- got into NCAAs, and he was the last guy in. Amos Bartelsmeyer (#18 on the list) was in position to go, but Georgetown scratched him and Ryan Manahan (#20 on the list). I guess they wanted to have both of them fresh for the DMR (Georgetown is seeded third at 9:28.22).
So if you're wondering, you had to run 3:58.54 or faster to make NCAAs this year.
tony romo wrote:
rojo wrote:[quote]sc42 wrote:
I don't think sub-4 on each leg is happening (that would be a few years down the road).
A few years down the road? With what team? Oregon currently has Cheserek (3:56.4/3:36.5), Gregorek (3:57.4), Winn (3:57.6), and Jenkins split 3:57 on their DMR this weekend. They all have 2 seconds to spare; barring catastrophe it should be within their grasp, and I doubt there will be another squad as good as them any time soon. Not to mention they have a backup 3:58 guy in Geoghegan
Goehegan's open full mile 3:58 is faster than Jenkins' split.
To correct what I said earlier, Manahan scratched from the mile but if he runs the DMR, he won't be fresh; he's entered in the open 800.
sc42 wrote:
Georgetown has three milers in the 3:58s and none qualified for Nationals..
Well well, looks like you were wrong. Put the cart before the horse pal.
rojo wrote: Or maybe we should run it at Oregon, Let's have them set it up at home as it's windy at hell.
Where do you get the idea that Oregon is windy as hell?
malmo wrote:
Where do you get the idea that Oregon is windy as hell?
Memory failing much?
Went to grad school at Oregon and live in OK now, Oregon is not windy..places like OK, KS, and other midwest states are windy.
Well as it is right now
Bile is in the mile (he was the last one in at 16th)
His teammate Bartelsmeyer who had a lower 3:58 then obviously dropped to focus on something else, maybe the DMR (will likely be anchor like earlier in the year)
Manahan declared to run the 800m
And even Bile or Manahan could potentially jump in a leg on the DMR OR FR Joseph White (1:48.05) OR Michael Lederhouse, the 4th Georgetown guy that broke 4 at the Boston Valentine meet OR Cole Williams (1:48.62) OR most likely Billy Ledder (1:48.20) who would have been in the top 16 (last time to make it was 1:48.28), so I'm guessing he dropped to be the DMR 800 leg
Georgetown just has so much depth they have back up's to back up's to back up's
They'll get smoked in the DMR at nationals.
KEZI wrote:
malmo wrote:Where do you get the idea that Oregon is windy as hell?
Memory failing much?
Your imagination carried away much?
Doubtful. Those boys are tough as nails. Watch the Penn state race... Cole Williams has shown he can run in a 2:51 race, then the middle boys White and Manahan demolish the 'nova and penn guys... then Bartlesmeyer, that kid can kick. If it weren't for King Ches I'd say he has as good a chance as anyone to win. Either way, "smoked" is not a term I'd use, these young guys deserve respect. Will Oregon win? Probably. But they're not gonna just walk away with it.
malmo wrote:
KEZI wrote:Memory failing much?
Your imagination carried away much?
Malmo and I find agreement.
Oregon may have a breeze that is over the limit for sprints fairly often, but it isn't windy.
There was one stormy day in late winter where the wind was so fast coming into the final straight off the Bowerman Curve that it was like being stopped by a wall and stood up straight. That day Dellinger said "I know, just do the best you can, it's about effort today, not time.)
Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:
Doubtful. Those boys are tough as nails. Watch the Penn state race... Cole Williams has shown he can run in a 2:51 race, then the middle boys White and Manahan demolish the 'nova and penn guys... then Bartlesmeyer, that kid can kick. If it weren't for King Ches I'd say he has as good a chance as anyone to win. Either way, "smoked" is not a term I'd use, these young guys deserve respect. Will Oregon win? Probably. But they're not gonna just walk away with it.
Don't know anything about these boys, but know a lot about Pat Henner. Smoked.
Jonathan Gault wrote:
To correct what I said earlier, Manahan scratched from the mile but if he runs the DMR, he won't be fresh; he's entered in the open 800.
Glad to see that they are seeming to aim for a win in the DMR based on who's declared for which event. Still pretty mind-boggling to realize the mile is so good and deep this year that:
A) there are TWO schools with 4 guys under 4
B) and one of them only has one of them running the mile at nationals.
Cannot wait to see that race.
Full disclosure: I hope to see Soratos win. Other than about 40 meters while he was punching it to break away, he looked like a guy running a workout while winning the BSC mile. And when it looked like Matt Tex had completely put everyone away in the 800, Soratos was able to cross the gap.