Hasay was pissed at Rowbury

I was rooting for Hasay to get the win. She did everything she could running the second mile in 4:36. I don't know if she could have pushed harder a little earlier and maybe gotten a bigger lead, but Rowbury has superior speed and if she was within a couple of seconds of Hasay at the end she wouldd have out kicked her.

When Shannon grabbed her arm to say congrats after the race Hasay looked away....and I would have also! Shannon sat on her and b!tch sprinted her at the end. It's OK in normal competition, but if you have a plan with a teammate and deviate from that just so you can jump them the last 100, youre a BAD teammate! Again, I think it's perfectly fine to do to anyone else when racing, but Shannon said they had orders of how to race. Selfish, selfish, selfish!

I agree with you but a Tough call, Rowbury may very well run 3:58 and ~14:45 this year, so 2 miles is in her wheelhouse. Hasay may eventually go sub 15 minutes and probably sub 31 minutes but she will shine as a Marathon runner eventually. Still it was not good sportsmanship to sit on a team mate until the last 100m when she did a lot of the work up front.

If Hasay's future is the marathon, just go to it now. Why piss around getting your ass kicked on the track, especially if the 10000 is going to the wayside.

Indeed, Rowbury is basically the John Dressel of women's track.

Good point. Hasay's future is the 10,000 and beyond.

Hasay was clearly annoyed at Rowbury.

So she was mad that Rowbury used typical NOP tactics to beat her?

Pushaway2 wrote:

When Shannon grabbed her arm to say congrats after the race Hasay looked away....and I would have also! Shannon sat on her and b!tch sprinted her at the end. It's OK in normal competition, but if you have a plan with a teammate and deviate from that just so you can jump them the last 100, youre a BAD teammate! Again, I think it's perfectly fine to do to anyone else when racing, but Shannon said they had orders of how to race. Selfish, selfish, selfish!

I understand Hasay being pissed, and I believe she was, but this just reinforces my belief that you shouldn't have strictly dictated team tactics at the national championship meet, because at the end of the day each runner should be able to act in the way that best serves them a chance to win the race.

Have no clue if anyone was angry or if anyone didn't follow an agreed upon plan, but Shannon could have beaten her 5 different ways. Jordan had zero chance to beat her so it's kind of a non story. Unfortunately, Jordan's problem in the 5k & 10k might end up being the same, she can clearly grind out a strong pace, but she will risk being a pacesetter and getting outkicked in every championship type of race.

I agree that Hasay was pissed at the end of the race.

I disagree that she was pissed at Rowbury for tactics. I think she was just pissed/frustrated that she lost. It looked to me like she was doing her best not to let Shannon pass her (as Rowbury said in her post race interview on tv). I was impressed with the way Hasay raced, and she almost won. I like the competitiveness to be frustrated at the end like that, shows she really wanted to win and not just fold over because she knows Rowbury is great in practice.

That race made me much more of a Jordan Hasay fan, to be honest. But hey, maybe I'm wrong about all of this

peekay wrote:

I agree that Hasay was pissed at the end of the race.

I disagree that she was pissed at Rowbury for tactics. I think she was just pissed/frustrated that she lost. It looked to me like she was doing her best not to let Shannon pass her (as Rowbury said in her post race interview on tv). I was impressed with the way Hasay raced, and she almost won. I like the competitiveness to be frustrated at the end like that, shows she really wanted to win and not just fold over because she knows Rowbury is great in practice.

That race made me much more of a Jordan Hasay fan, to be honest. But hey, maybe I'm wrong about all of this

/thread.

runner241 wrote:

Hasay was visually annoyed/angry at Rowbury after the race and only put on a fake smile when Shannon was right in front of her face.

From Rowbury's interview it was clear that she was meant to share in the duties of setting the pace near the end, but she didn't citing "Hasay pushed the pace every time I tried." She never tried to go to the front once.

Sure, this is a race, and the first one across the line wins, but it is a low move to have a strategy decided with your teammate and not follow through. Even worse to kick past that teammate at the end then.

I saw and heard the same interview. She said " every time I tried to go by her (Hasay) she kicked.." so, if Rowbury was to share the duties, and then Hasay kicks when Rowbury tries to take the pint and her "share" of the duties, and thereby letting Hasay draft, how is that Rowbury's fault?

Hasay clearly does not know how to work together, and is immature if in fact she is mad.

I honestly do not know what else Rowbury could have done to "help" Hasay. For one thing, Hasay was pushing it quite quite hard in the third half-mile of the race. For another, there were other people in traffic until very late, like Costello.

Why isn't there just more admiration on here for people who figure out how to win races? This is the biggest mystery about letsrun, to me? What is the purpose of track competition?

formerHScoach wrote:

[quote]runner241 wrote:

I saw and heard the same interview. She said " every time I tried to go by her (Hasay) she kicked.." so, if Rowbury was to share the duties, and then Hasay kicks when Rowbury tries to take the pint and her "share" of the duties, and thereby letting Hasay draft, how is that Rowbury's fault?

Hasay clearly does not know how to work together, and is immature if in fact she is mad.

Ha ha

I meant point. But, pint and draft are just as good.

runner241 wrote:

Hasay was visually annoyed/angry at Rowbury after the race and only put on a fake smile when Shannon was right in front of her face.

From Rowbury's interview it was clear that she was meant to share in the duties of setting the pace near the end, but she didn't citing "Hasay pushed the pace every time I tried." She never tried to go to the front once.

Sure, this is a race, and the first one across the line wins, but it is a low move to have a strategy decided with your teammate and not follow through. Even worse to kick past that teammate at the end then.

Exactly. I'm starting to get the impression Shannon's basically kind of an a**hole.

This one is a stretch, Hasay didn't look pissed at all. She knew what was coming.

Everyone needs to watch Jordan's interview on the LetsRun YouTube page.

All the expectations of what tactics the ladies were supposed to use are outrageous and Jordan makes it very clear she did not blame Shannon for anything. I would 100% agree she looked pissed after the race, but I would bet a lot of money that was caused by disappointment. She took off with 400 to go and ran bravely. Shannon clung on and still had the better kick. I don't think she was even drafting in those last 2 laps, she was matching a strong move. People on this thread sound like they have never run a damn race before.

george oscar bluth wrote:

I understand Hasay being pissed, and I believe she was, but this just reinforces my belief that you shouldn't have strictly dictated team tactics at the national championship meet, because at the end of the day each runner should be able to act in the way that best serves them a chance to win the race.

100% agree.

george oscar bluth wrote:

I understand Hasay being pissed, and I believe she was, but this just reinforces my belief that you shouldn't have strictly dictated team tactics at the national championship meet, because at the end of the day each runner should be able to act in the way that best serves them a chance to win the race.

100% agree.