Adrienne Herzog Suspended Through May 2016

should have made it september 2017

It has been disappointing to see how many Dutch athletes and hobby joggers think she should not face consequences for cheating. Perhaps there is a greater tolerance among some national cultures for drug enhancement?

Great how she uses an Andre Agasssi quote, a guy who admitted to abusing every drug he could get his hands on.

"In 2010, Herzog was linked through her former former coach Manuel Pascua Piqueras in Operation Galgo (Greyhound), a Spanish probe into the doping trade. Those inquiries were dropping in March 2012 not because of the veracity of the evidence, but because of its methods of collection. That evidence was subsequently destroyed."

She's a nice looking white girl- let her go.

Pretty slow for what she was doing.

Oh, good! She can still try to represent the Netherlands at the 2016 Olympics.

HossJermens wrote:

It has been disappointing to see how many Dutch athletes and hobby joggers think she should not face consequences for cheating. Perhaps there is a greater tolerance among some national cultures for drug enhancement?

The Netherlands is very small. Yes it's disappointing (I think the sentence is rathershort). All these people however personally know her, or know people that know her and often think "she couldn't possibly use doping, she's such a nice girl". I don't really know why but people in the Netherlands never really believe other Dutch people can use, the Russians can, the Spanish, all those Americans look doped too. It's a bit ridiculous.

Jeanette wrote:

HossJermens wrote:

It has been disappointing to see how many Dutch athletes and hobby joggers think she should not face consequences for cheating. Perhaps there is a greater tolerance among some national cultures for drug enhancement?

The Netherlands is very small. Yes it's disappointing (I think the sentence is rathershort). All these people however personally know her, or know people that know her and often think "she couldn't possibly use doping, she's such a nice girl". I don't really know why but people in the Netherlands never really believe other Dutch people can use, the Russians can, the Spanish, all those Americans look doped too. It's a bit ridiculous.

I have visited the Netherlands a lot, and lived in Scandinavia for years and think there are many similarities in terms of sport.

The feeling I always got in northern Europe was an almost old-fashioned take with hint of early modern Olympic amateurism. You can be a serious athlete in your late 20s or early 30s, but most will hold some sort of other job that pays the bills so sponsorship isn't as important and the money (or expectation of it) is smaller. Even at a high level there is a sense that it is a competition between very, very, very, very, very good amateurs. Of course your Klufts, Holms etc aren't working 40 hours a week on their feet in Ikea, but you get the idea.

For this reason, the idea of doping is a bit shocking to most, kind of a mix between dishonorable and stupid. Finding out even a national champion is doing would be like finding out your M45 rival doped to win the masters 5k: just kind of pathetic more than anything.

So even though some elites in northern Europe surely are doping, I can understand why the public is so surprised. I wouldn't read it exactly as denial, though.

Real Dutch people or Scandinavians, feel free to confirm or deny all this!!

Real Dutchman over here:

Track and Field, and Cross even more is SUCH a smal sport over here that 999.999 out of a million never heard of The Herzog girl...