Michael Fout choosing FSU in 2007?
Michael Fout choosing FSU in 2007?
Yes Rohrer is a devoted Catholic and choosing a university with a strong spiritual background was always near the top the priority list. For her, it sounds like it was where she wanted to go if running was not a factor. You're a hometown Catholic Irish fan and ND offers a full ride? Take it! I'm would assume Anna is not concerned about what others think, this is her education not yours.
BUT on the running side:
Sparks is getting some very talented runners besides Rohrer, at least 2 other FL qualifiers from this past fall from what I hear + Annie Heffernan (10:10 3200) from Ohio...so Sparks had to have done a great job selling the future of the team to Rohrer. I would expect ND to be back in the top 10 in next couple years if all stay healthy.
I think seidell is an argument FOR ND. She had a strongish freshman year, had a bout with injury, and then as had been said was brought back to be 19th at NCAA XC--that's pretty good including the qualifier "for a footlocker champ." a top 20 finish in ncaa cross has to put her in the top 10% of girls champs in terms of college performance. Look at champs like Katelynn Kaltenback who went to the then-powerhouse UNC, or Aislinn Ryan who went to a historic program like Colorado; they can't claim the same level of success. I'm looking forward to seeing what Molly does on the track this spring.
ALSO i think "Most Random Choice" award has to go to Amber Trotter (Middlebury), which maybe goes against the argument I tried to make above but YOLO
Molly wrote:
Dewey_Runner wrote:Is this the lowest XC team ranking commitment choice of a Foot Locker champion in history?
Factor in the individual (Molly Seidel) and the education. Notre Dame is like the Stanford/Duke/Princeton of the Midwest and from what I understand Molly wants to eventually become a doctor. That's going to yield her far more than any post-collegiate running opportunity she is offered. Hence, why running can only be so important to many multi-talented people like Molly. With Molly, running has always been an "extra" anyway. She just happened to be very good at it.
+1
What difference does that make?
yupyupyuppers wrote:
he's just a hs coach
Way to slam HS coaches.
They're some of the best coaches in the country as college coaches are usually too busy recruiting to coach.
Jonathan Gault wrote:
This is interesting. ND has another former Foot Locker champ (Molly Seidel, 2011) and while you can't really say she's done badly (4:42 mile/16:05 5k, 19th at NCAA XC), she hasn't exactly lived up to what you would expect from a Foot Locker champ.
Rohrer is such a big talent though that I think she'll do wherever she goes. The coach just needs to keep her healthy (easier said than done in this case).
I hate hearing... "all this coach has to do is keep her healthy..."
Is that the mentality Alberto Salazar took with Galen Rupp in his college years that led him to all his success. No.
In order for Anna to achieve in college and beyond she needs to gradually and incrementally increase her workload in a systematic way, but at the same time push the envelope and strive for the next level. You can't get good with out taking some risks and putting your body to the test.
Please realize that the average runner's peak is in their early 20's so taking it easy throughout your late teens early twenties is a good way to throw your talent and potential away.
The same logic can and should be applied to high school running. If you are not running 75 miles a week by your senior year of high school than you are limiting your maximum potential as an athlete (for your life). As American's we need to stop being worried about what can happen if we push it and more thoughtful of what WILL happen if we don't!!!!
http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_10kok.htmAverage age of runners
Name Time Age
Kenenisa Bekele 26:18.0 23
Haile Gebrselassie 26:22.7 25
Paul Tergat 26:27.9 28
Nicholas Kemboi 26:30.0 19
Abebe Dinkesa Negera 26:30.7 21
Micah Kogo 26:35.6 20
Paul Koech 26:36.3 28
Zersenay Tadese 26:37.3 24
Salah Hissou 26:38.1 24
Abdullah Ahmad Hassan 26:38.8 22
Sileshi Sihine 26:39.7 21
Boniface Kiprop 26:39.8 19
Samuel Wanjiru 26:41.8 18
Lucas Rotich 26:44.0 21
Galen Rupp 26:44.4 28
Mohamed Farah 26:46.6 28
Imane Merga 26:48.3 22
Josphat Bett 26:49.0 20
Eliud Kipchoge 26:49.0 22
Moses Masai 26:49.2 20
Sammy Kipketer 26:49.4 20
Paul Tanui 26:49.4 23
Moses Mosop 26:49.5 21
Assefa Mezgebu 26:49.9 23
Richard Limo 26:50.2 21
Albert Chepkurui 26:50.7 21
Dejene Gebremeskel 26:51.0 23
Emmanuel Bett 26:51.2 29
Charles Kamathi 26:51.5 21
Vincent Chepkok 26:51.7 24
William Sigei 26:52.2 24
Mohammed Mourhit 26:52.3 28
Gebre-egziabher Gebremariam 26:52.3 22
Bedan Karoki 26:52.4 23
Kenneth Kipkemoi 26:52.7 28
Abera Kuma 26:52.9 22
John Cheruiyot Korir 26:52.9 20
Mark Bett 26:52.9 28
Mathew Kisorio 26:54.3 22
Stephen Sambu 26:54.6 25
Mark Kiptoo 26:54.6 24
Leonard Komon 26:55.3 23
Geoffrey Kirui 26:55.7 18
Josphat Kiprono Menjo 26:56.7 31
Josphat Muchiri Ndambiri 26:57.4 24
Yigrem Demelash 26:57.6 18
Yobes Ondieki 26:58.4 32
Bernard Kiprop Kipyego 26:59.5 21
Chris Solinsky 26:59.6 25
Titus Mbishei 26:59.8 20
Martin Irungu Mathathi 26:59.9 23
Average Age 23.1372549
Hate this logic wrote:
Jonathan Gault wrote:This is interesting. ND has another former Foot Locker champ (Molly Seidel, 2011) and while you can't really say she's done badly (4:42 mile/16:05 5k, 19th at NCAA XC), she hasn't exactly lived up to what you would expect from a Foot Locker champ.
Rohrer is such a big talent though that I think she'll do wherever she goes. The coach just needs to keep her healthy (easier said than done in this case).
I hate hearing... "all this coach has to do is keep her healthy..."
Is that the mentality Alberto Salazar took with Galen Rupp in his college years that led him to all his success. No.
In order for Anna to achieve in college and beyond she needs to gradually and incrementally increase her workload in a systematic way, but at the same time push the envelope and strive for the next level. You can't get good with out taking some risks and putting your body to the test.
Please realize that the average runner's peak is in their early 20's so taking it easy throughout your late teens early twenties is a good way to throw your talent and potential away.
The same logic can and should be applied to high school running. If you are not running 75 miles a week by your senior year of high school than you are limiting your maximum potential as an athlete (for your life). As American's we need to stop being worried about what can happen if we push it and more thoughtful of what WILL happen if we don't!!!!
Do you think that the relative lack of college/professional success from female high school foot locker champions has been due to them taking it too easy at the start of their college years or too hard?
For what it's worth, here is the age the top 10 US women ran their 10000m PR.
Flanagan - 27
Huddle - 29
Kastor - 29
Goucher - 30
Hastings - 28
Cherobon-Bawcom - 33
Uhl - 24
Yoder-Begley - 30
Rhines - 32
Rudolph - 31
You don't seem to know much about Notre Dame. To say the ND program is going to "hold her back" undersells a program that has finished 3rd, 4th and 7th at NCAAs in its history. They have made nationals nearly every year since 2000. Granted there are programs with better results, but they are an elite program that is matched by an elite academic reputation. I doubt Rohrer will feel too held back here. I also don't think there are more than 10 better places to be a student-athlete.
Maybe women do peak later, but I would need to look at the world list to check for sure. I think Asa whole America hasa problem with peaking too late in their career.
For some reason people equate time improvement from high school to college (or college to pro) as the definition of successful training.
For example people think if Runner A runs 4:20 in HS and 4:05 in college that is much better than Runner B running 4:10 in HS and 4:01 in college. Even though it is quite possible that Runner A andB have identical potential.
As a result people in America are generally too careful with training under the guise of training athletes for \"the long term\". But the part that people don\'t realize is that to the window for maximum success closes sooner than they are ready for.
So even though Huddle PRd at age 29, doesn\'t mean that with proper training from youth she couldn\'t have run faster at age 24 (for example).
Ever thought that high school girls that do high mileage in high school 1) perform well during high school 2) increase their likelihood of injury during high school 3) increase their probability of injury their first year of university 4) quit prematurely due to injury. 5) all of the above.
I ran at ND and was lucky enough to be captain of the Xcountry team my senior year. ND is NOT for everyone. It does offer an elite education (usually in the top 20 of academic rankings for Div I every year), faith, and family. You are usually surrounded by overachievers who are a little bit on the conservative side. The people are genuinely nice. It's the Midwest, people. ND always has one or two national class distance runners every year. They lack the depth of some of the preeminent distance programs but they spread the track scholarships around. I think they were second in track last year in the ACC - and I'm sure someone will correct me shortly if I'm wrong. And please don't think if you go to an Ivy League school that your education is not paid for - they find a way to pay for your schooling - they just don't call it an athletic scholarship. I'm sure Anna will be a great addition to the ND family.
Banned? wrote:
Maybe women do peak later, but I would need to look at the world list to check for sure. I think Asa whole America hasa problem with peaking too late in their career.
For some reason people equate time improvement from high school to college (or college to pro) as the definition of successful training.
For example people think if Runner A runs 4:20 in HS and 4:05 in college that is much better than Runner B running 4:10 in HS and 4:01 in college. Even though it is quite possible that Runner A andB have identical potential.
As a result people in America are generally too careful with training under the guise of training athletes for "the long term". But the part that people don't realize is that to the window for maximum success closes sooner than they are ready for.
So even though Huddle PRd at age 29, doesn't mean that with proper training from youth she couldn't have run faster at age 24 (for example).
I don't have hold any of the beliefs that you are arguing against. I think the last 10-20 years would show that many female Footlocker winners did not end up running as quickly from a purely absolute standpoint than those who did not train as intensely in high school - irrespective of how much "improvement" there was. Hasay is a notable exception.
It seems like Anna Rohrer picked a school she would be happy at even if she had to stop running before her four years are through. Good for her! She's also used to the area/weather and has family near by.
Running in college will be an adjustment for her like it is for everyone else. She did recently have to relearn how to run, so if she doesn't lapse into old habits (or pick up back new ones) I think she will be fine.
ACC indoor champion and school record in the 5k this season, looks like she is coming into her own
Bumping / updating this thread.
It looks like Anna made a good choice after all.
Molly won the outdoor NCAA 10K title and the NCAA XC title. Anna came in 6th at NCAA XC.
And the women's team came in 8th in the country. Not bad, especially since they lost their number 2 (Dani Aragon) due to an injury.
If you're an elite distance runner and care at all about academics and a school's alumni network, you should have Notre Dame on your short list.
My understanding is that Dani's sister is mulling offers from Notre Dame and Stanford. If she follows her dad's and her sister's footsteps, Notre Dame could be a beast next year, too. Especially in MD with Dani Aragon, Jessica Harris and Christina Aragon.
Now, if they could just get some Men's recruits...