I have read about the high sets and low set type of training. What are the paces that you are supposed to run on both of these sets-6x400, 10x400? Faster for the 6x400? To all the milers out there, has this been succesful for you?
I have read about the high sets and low set type of training. What are the paces that you are supposed to run on both of these sets-6x400, 10x400? Faster for the 6x400? To all the milers out there, has this been succesful for you?
Have fun burning out!
Its pointless, all you do is hate your life when you are doing paavo training for no results
Anyone have something useful to say about this type of training?[quote]stater of the obvious wrote:
Yes, don't do it.
personally, i prefer the high-repitition type training as far as intervals go.....10-16x400 w/ the occasional 24x400 workout thrown in & only now & then doing small repitition workouts, usually something like 3x400,300,200 or 2x300,800,400 or 5x300. i've had great success w/ this type of training & find that it gives me both the strength to run fast & kick off a fast pace, but also to kick well off a slow pace.
as for pacing, i would say for the 24x400 workout, for the most part, run them at about 2mi race pace....depending on the rest( iprefer 200m jog). i also like to try to run the last 4-6 a bit fast, esp. the last 1. the shorter workouts, like the 5x300 should be at or faster than 1500/mile pace. for these, i like 100m walk/jog as a recovery. for the 400,300,200 workout & the 300,800,400 workout, if you want to take a longer recovery between sets, that's fine, esp. in early season.
that's what worked for me & those were also some of my favorite workouts in college & i still use them & i'm still racing fairly well, when i can find a track meet to get in.
Yes, don't do it.Didn't Columbus North HS do Pavvo and win the CC Indiana state title in 2003? Is there a book on how this system can be utilized, and where can we buy it? Please advise as I've heard good and bad about it but no specifics.
Yes.....Columbus North did win the State Title doing this training....when done correctly and by the structures there is no better training anywhere. There is not a book out as of yet.....a manual is in the works!
its the best training out there? what elite professionals follow it? cant name any? what succesful college programs use it? still cant name any?
It is unfortunate that elite professionals and colleges have not tuned in as of yet.....when one or the other does they will run with the best that the world has to offer and beat them! The time is coming when that will happen......without drugs! Could it be possible that the "elites" are missing the boat.....is that a possibility that any of us would begin to even consider just a little bit??
Yeah, I'm sure the elites are missing the boat allright.
Could be.....the "experts" once thought the world was flat and that blood letting was beneficial......both have been proven to be wrong! That is not an attack on your position either....let's be open to possibilities that are outside what we might call "traditional training"!
umm well i have only heard of this on several internet threads and it doesnt really seem all that revolutionary. Lots of hard running if you survive then youll hopefully be good. One reason i think it is used more in HS is that high school kids recover so much faster so that might work out better.
Also i think a lot of elites train at a level that makes PAAVO look like ALPO. I mean i dont think Tergat or Geb would be overly stunned by some of the Paavo workouts/weeks.
this is not the revolutionary training method the cultish leaders make it out to be. weinheimer (the cn coach) has been there like 30 years and has placed in the top 5 in the state like 3 times. they're no york. they're not even carmel, portage, or valpo (other top consistent indiana programs).
not to take too much away from weinheimer though, he's a pretty nice guy, cares about his kids. two state titles is two more than most coaches. PAAVO however is not the answer to MOST people's training problems.
What does the Paavo program consist of? From what I understand, it's faily high mileage in the base season, and then virtually all intervals (and some pretty big volume of intervals always with recovery jogs and you never stop) and a weekly 1-mile time-trial during the season. Is this wrong and if so, what is the Paavo system?
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you should take your timed mile and divide by 4 to get your time per 400. then add 4 seconds to that time and that should be the times you run for your repeats. if you want you can tell me your mile time and i can look at the chart for you. i do believe the paavo system when used correctly can produce great results.
Just because you are doing a lot of interval based training does not mean you will burn out. I don't follow the system myself, but our local high school team does. I run an interval session with them every once in a while. The coach always stresses to have them run the pace they are supposed to so they don't get too rundown. This is no different then the training paces McMillan advises. The one thing I do not like is the 10 minute break between sets of 400's. When you are old, it is hard to get going again after that long a break. I would rather just do all continuously.
someone has got to get Coach Bob Parks going on this one. I heard the origin of Paavo training from Coach Parks and though I was going to piss myself laughing. He wasn't very complimentary of the originator's background that inspired Paavo. Ignorant HS coaches (because no other coaches will use it) relying on Paavo proves that it's pretty tough to screw up really talented kids.
You don't know what talent is or how to determine it. Just proves Coach Parks is as ignorant as the next guy!