A defense of why Seattle passed on 2nd and goal instead of running The Beast, Marshawn Lynch

Even if you want to fool them with a pass, you don't call a high risk slant pass into the middle defense. That's retarded. And they were in a pass formation. It's so bad a call you have to even wonder if they threw the game.

Even the corner who intercepted, who is a rookie, said he knew what play was coming. It was brainless, there is no defending it.

They would have never stopped Lynch from the one yard line. Not even once, much less twice or a third time.

If they don't get the first a timeout still gave them 20 seconds. That's plenty enough time for two more runs if needed.

Pete Carroll mentioned the clock management just as you described. He also explained how New England stayed in goal line defense despite Seattle going to 3WR. The only people up in arms about the call are those who can't step back and analyze the situation. They just scream Lynch over and over again. Not to mention if Wilson would have read the defender who jumped the route to the inside and made the proper throw to the receivers back shoulder it's a TD.

This is all good and well, but ultimately silly when you consider:

1) The Pats allowed opponents to score 81% of the time in power situations (runs on 3rd/4th &

Hingle McCringleberry wrote:

Should have just gone for the field goal.

Rojo, I had too much beer to follow that, and I think also that you would enjoy the game more if you followed my example.

HM, I finally get your name reference after a TV viewing last night, and now I'm a fan.

Everyone should also increase their mileage.

Very good points I hadn't thought of in the disappointment of the moment. I still think a run with Lynch would have been a better call and take the pass attempt on 3rd if he doesn't make it. You still get 2 runs from Lynch. Also agree with the play action option.

The play itself was run well except for Wilson choking on the throw. Totally missed his man. It should have been game over.

Oh well. Can't change it now.

When Lynch made it to the 1 on the previous play I thought "Game over"

When they got into a shotgun formation in 2nd I thought "WTF are they doing?"

When Wilson released a pass into the heart of the defense (before it was intercepted) I thought "WHAT THE FK ARE THEY DOING??"

When it was intercepted I laughed

I'm not a fan of either team, but that was pure choke by Carroll/Bevell (whoever called it)

I disagree with you and Caroll on having to pass there so you could run it twice. I think you had time to run it 3 times with 1 time out. You definitely had time to pass it 2 times no matter what order you did it.

There was less time than I thought left 25 seconds so they don't really need to burn clock as I said previously so I was wrong there. If they get stopped there they have 2 downs to score and don't care about burning clock obviously. By letting 30+ seconds go between 1st and 2nd down they alreadyburned clock.

If you want to run on 2 of the remaining 3 plays and have 1 time out and 25 seconds left you are able to do that no matter what order of plays you call.

I don't know exactly how much time it takes to reset the ball but I think with 1 timeout you could run it 3 times.

There are 25 seconds left. You run and are stopped. You could snap the next ball at what 10 seconds if you don't call TO? Then if you don't get it you still could call TO with 5 seconds left and run it on 4th down.

If you get stopped and call TO you have 3rd down with 22 seconds left. I still think you could run twice there on 3rd and 4th downs. 4th down would be hectic as hell so maybe a lot of coaches don't do it and they pass on 3rd down and then have the option of running off of 4th down with time to huddle up. But you still would be able to run twice in that scenario and don't have to pass on 2nd down like they did.

Also on 1st down were they in the shot gun? Robert in another thread he didn't like how Lynch wasn't in the backfield on 2nd down but he was in the backfield. However there were in a shotgun formation which isn't a traditional running formation so definitely the CBs are thinking it might be a pass. It's probably best to to pass if you stack the box with 1 wide receiver. Then no one is expecting it.

Maybe Pete Carroll asked Lynch his opinion on a play and he refused to talk again.

Biscuits and gravy wrote:

Maybe Pete Carroll asked Lynch his opinion on a play and he refused to talk again.

Bwahahaaaaaaaaaaa......

This is why NE knew they were going to throw. Because they DIDN'T take the time out. They knew it was coming. This makes the play even worse. They assumed NE couldn't figure out they would throw even though they pretended to be in "goal line" formation. New England saw it a mile away because they didn't take the timeout.

No defense. No spin. Nothing can make this call make sense.

Just wrote that and you know what. I think New England out smarted them. They pretended to be in goal line formation to tempt Seattle to not run, not do a timeout, and do a slant play. Brilliant! Still a horrible call because they didn't expect NE to be smart.

Brilliant defensive move, bottom line. Like I posted in another thread, Porter (Saints) did the same thing to Manning in 2010. Defense anticipated a play that Seattle used one too many times.

one correction. lynch was in the backfield on the int play. He just ran straight to the left, there was no play action at all.

rojo wrote:

... I watch a lot of football and giving my poker playing background consider myself an EXPERT on clock management….

Wow.

I don't think the word "expert" (and certainly not the more emphatic "EXPERT") means what you appear to think it means.

The alpha jojo is correct once again.

Really Seattle displayed the tendancy that bad poker players make - doing the opposite of what is expected.

At the end of the 3rd quarter up 24-14 they had a 3rd and 1 in the Patriots side of the field. Rather than running Lynch whom everyone in football agrees can carry 5 tackl r s on his back, they heaved the ball downfield.

Seattle tried to lose and were successful at it.

N.E. had not stopped Lynch all night. Seattle having three WR's on the field was just a stupid play call and will go down as the worst in Super Bowl history. All you need is ONE play to win the game, Give the ball to Lynch on second down and it Skittles time. Horrible play Call

malmo wrote:

The alpha jojo is correct once again.

Really Seattle displayed the tendancy that bad poker players make - doing the opposite of what is expected.

At the end of the 3rd quarter up 24-14 they had a 3rd and 1 in the Patriots side of the field. Rather than running Lynch whom everyone in football agrees can carry 5 tackl r s on his back, they heaved the ball downfield.

Seattle tried to lose and were successful at it.

Great post. That call on third and short was BAD.

rojo wrote:

Great post. That call on third and short was BAD.

yep, if the run failed, it ran down the clock. clock management 101

Loot wrote:

They would have never stopped Lynch from the one yard line. Not even once, much less twice or a third time.

Lynch had 1 TD in 5 carries from the 1 yard line this year.