Andrew Bumbalough DQ Reversed! Finally!

Awesome....if not timely!

So does he qualify for the World Champs?

The lengthy delay is because the Board wanted to wait for the Rules Committee to tackle the issue first. The Rules Committee came up with a better solution moving forward, but it still didn't address Bumbalough's situation, so it was decided that the best way to deal with it was a Board of Directors resolution.

Randy Oldman wrote:

So does he qualify for the World Champs?

Maybe you are confusing this with the women's race? He only placed... 8th? So whether or not he went to Worlds was never the issue.

Why should they even have the power to do that? How many levels of appeal are there? At some point, a ruling, fair or not, has to be final. Race results are usually "final" after some defined (and short) time period, hours or a few days.

800 analyzer wrote:

Why should they even have the power to do that? How many levels of appeal are there? At some point, a ruling, fair or not, has to be final. Race results are usually "final" after some defined (and short) time period, hours or a few days.

And that is an issue they all take seriously. I haven't read the final rule change yet, but my understanding is they are basically adding a 72 hour window for mistakes in the results that are clear and of a more administrative nature, such as the 2011 Club Cross Champs when a runner was given the wrong chips in their packet and did not discover the mistake until after the protest window had expired. The LOC did not have the power to change the results unless they broke the rules. A lengthy grievance process followed and the grievance committee ended up saying the results needed to be changed, which many felt was outside the rules for them to say.

With the Bumbalough DQ, the situation was thoroughly reviewed by a task force. The official, upon review of the video, agreed they had made a mistake. EVERYONE agrees a mistake was made. The only issue was what to do about it.

I do not think the Board of Directors wants to change results casually, but the majority of them felt this was the right thing to do in this circumstance.

since it should be public knowledge, who was the board member who voted against it?

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power to the peeps wrote:

since it should be public knowledge, who was the board member who voted against it?

Steve Miller

He did not make any comments during the discussion, so I would not even begin to guess his reasoning.

polevaultpower wrote:

Randy Oldman wrote:

So does he qualify for the World Champs?

Maybe you are confusing this with the women's race? He only placed... 8th? So whether or not he went to Worlds was never the issue.

Whoosh...

Hingle McCringleberry wrote:

polevaultpower wrote:

Maybe you are confusing this with the women's race? He only placed... 8th? So whether or not he went to Worlds was never the issue.

Whoosh...

Swoosh...

(Fixed that for you.)

What a laugh this has all been. A team of adults takes months to make a decision obvious to any child. Stupid Saladclown.

So I guess I can expect in winter of 2033 that they will probably retroactively DQ Ryan Hill in the same race.

I agree. I'm just surprised they are empowered to do such a thing. Or are they?

I guess what I'm asking is did they just declare martial law and change it or are they allowed (empowered) via by-law or constitution or whatever, to make such a change?

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800 analyzer wrote:

I agree. I'm just surprised they are empowered to do such a thing. Or are they?

I guess what I'm asking is did they just declare martial law and change it or are they allowed (empowered) via by-law or constitution or whatever, to make such a change?

They are not specifically empowered to change results, but I think generally speaking the Board has a broad ability to do things under extenuating circumstances including to making changes to rules and bylaws.

I went to last year's Board Meeting as well, and immediately after they lost (badly) the floor fight, they tried to change it anyway. Fortunately, cooler heads prevailed.

Part of the circumstances in this case were that a rule was changed to avoid this situation could be avoided in the future, but could not be retroactively applied to this case. So you could say that the spirit of the new rule was applied to this case.

Things happen, whether right or wrong, that exist outside the framework of our rules and bylaws. In addition to our grievance process (which has already resulted in results being changed years after the fact), lawsuits can be filed, protests made to the USOC, etc. So it's not very accurate to frame it as a black and white issue.

The Board 100% did the right thing. I think they should have done it months ago, but they make a valid argument about wanting to wait and see what the rules committee came up with first.

This was a collaborative effort between several parties, it's not like Bob randomly threw this out there.

Bump...

It takes 3/4s of a year to solve the issue of a DQ for 8th place, which is pretty low on the totem pole of things that matter. Them USATFs are whacky

Who even cares if he finished 8th? Is there money for 8th place that this is such a big issue? Like what does he have to win from being given his 8th place back?

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