Gerry Lindgren's advice to middle of the pack runners

Lmfao

Before I can answer fairly, what's the Terre Haute race?

Who is in it and how long is it?

Terre Haute is where the NCAA Div.1 Champs are. It's a 10K

NCAA XC, right?

uninformed runner wrote:

Before I can answer fairly, what's the Terre Haute race?

Who is in it and how long is it?

knowledgableXC wrote:

Terre Haute is where the NCAA Div.1 Champs are. It's a 10K

Well, not as bad advice as I thought. No way mid-packers in your local road race could pull this off but NCAA athletes might.

Yet take the lead at the 5k point with a crazy sprint!? It seems too soon.

But if everyone in the middle of the pack does this who wins?

Does he really believe in this stuff he's talking about here? That's the worst advice I've ever heard. A dead sprint at the half way point lol. Ches will be laughing.

He's so whacked out he doesn't know what he's even saying.

Alan Webb used this tactic to perfection at the 2005 World Chamionships.

2:04 in the race if anybody wants to see it

Abc124 wrote:

Does he really believe in this stuff he's talking about here? That's the worst advice I've ever heard. A dead sprint at the half way point lol.

1988 Olympic 5,000m Final, John Ngugi ran the lap from 1,000m to 1,400m in 58.22. The worst advice you ever heard got him a gold medal.

Ngugi also won World Cross with this tactic. Webb won the 2004 Olympic Trials 1,500m this way. Yobes Ondieki won the 1991 World Championships 5,000m this way. Sammy Wanjiru won the 2008 Olympic Marathon this way. Etc., etc.

The worst advice you could give anyone for NCAA Cross is "follow Cheserek then sprint by him at the end."

Blowing Rock Master! wrote:

Abc124 wrote:

Does he really believe in this stuff he's talking about here? That's the worst advice I've ever heard. A dead sprint at the half way point lol.

1988 Olympic 5,000m Final, John Ngugi ran the lap from 1,000m to 1,400m in 58.22. The worst advice you ever heard got him a gold medal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca9N-iqzXzA

Ngugi also won World Cross with this tactic. Webb won the 2004 Olympic Trials 1,500m this way. Yobes Ondieki won the 1991 World Championships 5,000m this way. Sammy Wanjiru won the 2008 Olympic Marathon this way. Etc., etc.

The worst advice you could give anyone for NCAA Cross is "follow Cheserek then sprint by him at the end."

Those guys you mention were middle-of-the-pack runners? Because that was the point of Lindgren's advice. So, for example, if one of the favorites, such as Cheserek, throws in a big surge in the middle of the race, you don't get to say he was "following Gerry's advice". Gerry didn't invent mid-race surges.

Blowing Rock Master! wrote:

Abc124 wrote:

Does he really believe in this stuff he's talking about here? That's the worst advice I've ever heard. A dead sprint at the half way point lol.

1988 Olympic 5,000m Final, John Ngugi ran the lap from 1,000m to 1,400m in 58.22. The worst advice you ever heard got him a gold medal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca9N-iqzXzA

Ngugi also won World Cross with this tactic. Webb won the 2004 Olympic Trials 1,500m this way. Yobes Ondieki won the 1991 World Championships 5,000m this way. Sammy Wanjiru won the 2008 Olympic Marathon this way. Etc., etc.

The worst advice you could give anyone for NCAA Cross is "follow Cheserek then sprint by him at the end."

There's a big difference from a tactical surge in the middle of the race and an "all-out-end-of-the-race-final-100-meters super sprint."

Those guys aren't middle of the pack runners. They all were favorites or had the ability to win those races.

all of yous who pretended not to understand that Gerry was joking, well done you absolute trolls.

If someone thought Gerry was being serious with his advice, please bang your head against the wall

I'm sorry but who the hell are you to judge Gerry Lindgrens life choices? If other people started commenting on things about your family that only people within your family could accurately talk about, I'm sure you would be upset. I come from an abusive household and have seen first hand what it can do to people, so if you have a problem with a man whom you know little to nothing about, then keep it to yourself big guy

Blowing Rock Master! wrote:

Abc124 wrote:

Does he really believe in this stuff he's talking about here? That's the worst advice I've ever heard. A dead sprint at the half way point lol.

1988 Olympic 5,000m Final, John Ngugi ran the lap from 1,000m to 1,400m in 58.22. The worst advice you ever heard got him a gold medal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca9N-iqzXzA

Ngugi also won World Cross with this tactic. Webb won the 2004 Olympic Trials 1,500m this way. Yobes Ondieki won the 1991 World Championships 5,000m this way. Sammy Wanjiru won the 2008 Olympic Marathon this way. Etc., etc.

The worst advice you could give anyone for NCAA Cross is "follow Cheserek then sprint by him at the end."

Really stupid post. They did not run a sub-13 100m.

Several major points can be made about his advice, first, that many of these runners hold back mentally, "knowing" what the pecking order is, and thus underperform, second, that you can break many other runners mentally in this way, and third, that only a guy like Gerry Lindgren with his massive training mileage could really pull this off against a high quality NCAA field.

jjjjjjjjjj wrote:

Several major points can be made about his advice, first, that many of these runners hold back mentally, "knowing" what the pecking order is, and thus underperform, second, that you can break many other runners mentally in this way, and third, that only a guy like Gerry Lindgren with his massive training mileage could really pull this off against a high quality NCAA field.

I love how whenever Gerry makes some ridiculous statement, his defenders will always try to overlook the obvious (i.e. that the statement is drivel) and try to twist it around to where, you know what, actually, Gerry's right! Because what he really meant is this: blah blah blah...

If he meant that many runners hold back mentally, or some other truism like that, he would have said that. What he means is exactly what he said: that some middle of the pack runner at the NCAA Div 1 XC Nationals should just sprint for a 1/4 mile about half-way into the race and drop everybody, and then cruise in to the finish in first place. Which is about as useful as suggesting to somebody that they just run to the front and refuse to let anybody pass.

Anyway, all these things where someone says that all runners have so much more potential if they just unlocked their inner potential are a load of crap. Yeah, sure, everybody should do much better than they do and they should all win the race. The only problem is that if there are 200 runners in a race, somebody's going to win and somebody's going to get 200th. How would you determine if they had all run the race they "should" have?