1st overall
mile 1 4:38
2mile 9:45
3mile 14:20ish
3.1 14:53ish
ritzeinhein 14:10 5k
1st overall
mile 1 4:38
2mile 9:45
3mile 14:20ish
3.1 14:53ish
ritzeinhein 14:10 5k
Muddy course windy day though
I'm over 1000 miles away, but I know the weather was bad. Looks like he opened up a comfortable gap in the first mile and cruised from there. He's a racer, not a time trialer.
Grant was actually was with Robinson (FL qualifier last year) at the mile. Both were only a few seconds up on the rest of the field. Easily pulled away in the second mile and had about 15+ seconds on Robinson at that point. Robinson ended up dying a bit and finished 4th I think.
It was real windy. It also rained/snowed the day before.
Your second mile is was off. It was like 9:26ish, not 9:45.
mxcrunner wrote:
1st overall
mile 1 4:38
2mile 9:45
3mile 14:20ish
3.1 14:53ish
ritzeinhein 14:10 5k
thanks. i thought that mile looked really slow. i'm not there. just going off the play by play of run michigan on twitter
I believe the conditions were pretty similar to last year. Fisher ran 15:13.7 last year. Today he was 14:52.5.
what colleges are grant looking at?
I said in the thread a month or so ago (the Portage Invitational thread) that Grant shouldn't waste his time trying to go for that 14:10 CR. It will stand forever. Somehow, everything came together on that day... mainly the weather, but it was also his 4th time running the course, and he was in incredible shape.That course can run super fast if there was no rain/snow leading up to the race. But to put the 14:10 in context a little, as a junior Ritz only ran 15:05 at the state meet. But then went on to a 14:55 CR at FLMW in Kenosha, and then won in 14:29 CR at FLN in Orlando.As a senior, after going 14:10 at state, he went 14:35 at Kenosha, and then 14:35 in a more tactical FLN in Orlando. So Grant's Kenosha performance could be more telling on his fitness relative to Ritz as a senior. From all indications I've seen, he appears to be at least 20 seconds faster than last year.And knowing how his coach approaches racing (preparing to win the big ones, as opposed to time trialing often), he's likely training through all these meets until FLMW.
mxcrunner wrote:
ritzeinhein 14:10 5k
Spot on. ^^
I ran in the D1 mens race, the same one that Fisher ran in (although much farther back).
The course conditions were infinitely better than last year. Last year it was incredibly muddy for the entire course. Especially by the time D1 guys ran (which is the last race of the day).
This year the ground was near perfect. There was one pretty big puddle around the 1.5 mile mark, and some really soft grass and a bit of mud around the 2.7 mile area, but the rest of it was really solid.
HOWEVER. The wind. The wind was practically coming at my face the entire race. No matter the direction, it seemed as the wind was coming straight at me. It made it an incredibly hard race to run. 20-25 mph winds the entire day.
There was a bit of wind last year, but it wasn't nearly as bad as today.
A lot of people on my team did PR, but only barely and because they were able to stay behind people that blocked some wind. I can't imagine how it was for Grant having to take the wind head on the entire time.
Overall. It was a very windy, cold day. Temperatures were around 34-36, but felt much colder.
Yeah- I watched the races on the MHSAA site and the little boundary flags near the mile and two mile marks were going crazy the whole time. The left turn right after the mile looked tough.As for the ground, I'm not disagreeing with you here, but Grant and the others leaders in the final 3-4 races stayed either right on, or clearly outside of the yellow center line coming around the final turn the whole way. There was a clear brown path on the inside of the yellow line that I have to assume was softer than desirable to run on or they would have taken this route (the natural tangent).
MISRunnertoday wrote:
I ran in the D1 mens race, the same one that Fisher ran in (although much farther back).
The course conditions were infinitely better than last year. Last year it was incredibly muddy for the entire course. Especially by the time D1 guys ran (which is the last race of the day).
This year the ground was near perfect. There was one pretty big puddle around the 1.5 mile mark, and some really soft grass and a bit of mud around the 2.7 mile area, but the rest of it was really solid.
HOWEVER. The wind. The wind was practically coming at my face the entire race. No matter the direction, it seemed as the wind was coming straight at me. It made it an incredibly hard race to run. 20-25 mph winds the entire day.
There was a bit of wind last year, but it wasn't nearly as bad as today.
A lot of people on my team did PR, but only barely and because they were able to stay behind people that blocked some wind. I can't imagine how it was for Grant having to take the wind head on the entire time.
Overall. It was a very windy, cold day. Temperatures were around 34-36, but felt much colder.
State Meet already. Another month of XC in sunny California!
MI knower wrote:
I said in the thread a month or so ago (the Portage Invitational thread) that Grant shouldn't waste his time trying to go for that 14:10 CR. It will stand forever. Somehow, everything came together on that day... mainly the weather, but it was also his 4th time running the course, and he was in incredible shape.
That course can run super fast if there was no rain/snow leading up to the race. But to put the 14:10 in context a little, as a junior Ritz only ran 15:05 at the state meet. But then went on to a 14:55 CR at FLMW in Kenosha, and then won in 14:29 CR at FLN in Orlando.
As a senior, after going 14:10 at state, he went 14:35 at Kenosha, and then 14:35 in a more tactical FLN in Orlando. So Grant's Kenosha performance could be more telling on his fitness relative to Ritz as a senior. From all indications I've seen, he appears to be at least 20 seconds faster than last year.
And knowing how his coach approaches racing (preparing to win the big ones, as opposed to time trialing often), he's likely training through all these meets until FLMW.
mxcrunner wrote:ritzeinhein 14:10 5k
Wrong, Dathan ran 14:35 on that same course as a junior, NOT 15:05. I was in the top 10 runners in THAT race, I would know. Where do you get your facts?
This post is true. I videotaped 3 sections of the race as it's not spectator friendly, especially if you want to see the finish. The puddle around 1.5 miles is where I was at, hence it did exist. The wind was exactly what this poster described. Grant was not touching Dathan's 14:10, no even in perfect conditions. But the wind definitely affected his performance today as he was out alone from just before 800m to the finish line. The temps were also spot on. It was brutally cold and felt much colder indeed. Tough day to run.
MISRunnertoday wrote:
I ran in the D1 mens race, the same one that Fisher ran in (although much farther back).
The course conditions were infinitely better than last year. Last year it was incredibly muddy for the entire course. Especially by the time D1 guys ran (which is the last race of the day).
This year the ground was near perfect. There was one pretty big puddle around the 1.5 mile mark, and some really soft grass and a bit of mud around the 2.7 mile area, but the rest of it was really solid.
HOWEVER. The wind. The wind was practically coming at my face the entire race. No matter the direction, it seemed as the wind was coming straight at me. It made it an incredibly hard race to run. 20-25 mph winds the entire day.
There was a bit of wind last year, but it wasn't nearly as bad as today.
A lot of people on my team did PR, but only barely and because they were able to stay behind people that blocked some wind. I can't imagine how it was for Grant having to take the wind head on the entire time.
Overall. It was a very windy, cold day. Temperatures were around 34-36, but felt much colder.
Then Robinson caught back up after they crossed the track and headed for the grass, unseen to many, and then had to have taken off drastically because I was at the 1.5 area and he had a serious lead...I videotaped it. Sorry, but I seriously doubt that although it is possible. I was at 1.5, with my videocamera and Grant had a serious lead.
MISman wrote:
Grant was actually was with Robinson (FL qualifier last year) at the mile. Both were only a few seconds up on the rest of the field. Easily pulled away in the second mile and had about 15+ seconds on Robinson at that point. Robinson ended up dying a bit and finished 4th I think.
It was real windy. It also rained/snowed the day before.
Only the official results... and a little bit of memory being surprised he didn't run faster at the race...http://www.runmichigan.com/results/99/mhsaaxc/mhsaaxcba110699.htmlThe splits look logical / make sense, unless each mile split somehow was 10 seconds off. Please explain.
Reality alert 14:35 wrote:
MI knower wrote:I said in the thread a month or so ago (the Portage Invitational thread) that Grant shouldn't waste his time trying to go for that 14:10 CR. It will stand forever. Somehow, everything came together on that day... mainly the weather, but it was also his 4th time running the course, and he was in incredible shape.
That course can run super fast if there was no rain/snow leading up to the race. But to put the 14:10 in context a little, as a junior Ritz only ran 15:05 at the state meet. But then went on to a 14:55 CR at FLMW in Kenosha, and then won in 14:29 CR at FLN in Orlando.
As a senior, after going 14:10 at state, he went 14:35 at Kenosha, and then 14:35 in a more tactical FLN in Orlando. So Grant's Kenosha performance could be more telling on his fitness relative to Ritz as a senior. From all indications I've seen, he appears to be at least 20 seconds faster than last year.
And knowing how his coach approaches racing (preparing to win the big ones, as opposed to time trialing often), he's likely training through all these meets until FLMW.
Wrong, Dathan ran 14:35 on that same course as a junior, NOT 15:05. I was in the top 10 runners in THAT race, I would know. Where do you get your facts?
However much you'd like bet on this, I'm game. Of course, since there are official recorded splits available to everyone on earth with Fisher and Robinson right next to each other at the mile (and others a few seconds back), a live video feed at the mile that I watched and took a picture of (you want me to send it to you?), and soon to be pictures on runmichigan.com, I strongly dvise against this bet.
MISObservertoday wrote:
Then Robinson caught back up after they crossed the track and headed for the grass, unseen to many, and then had to have taken off drastically because I was at the 1.5 area and he had a serious lead...I videotaped it.
Sorry, but I seriously doubt that although it is possible. I was at 1.5, with my videocamera and Grant had a serious lead.
MISman wrote:Grant was actually was with Robinson (FL qualifier last year) at the mile. Both were only a few seconds up on the rest of the field. Easily pulled away in the second mile and had about 15+ seconds on Robinson at that point. Robinson ended up dying a bit and finished 4th I think.
It was real windy. It also rained/snowed the day before.
Learn to comprehend, "after" you take a deep breathe. The words read "although it's possible". What part do I need to explain to you? Grant had to have put on one hell of a move from 1 mile to the 1.5 as his lead was large. You can throw them on letsrun all you want DM or JB, I could care less. Put your email out there and I'll send you mine, I'll watch whatever you want to send.
MISman wrote:
However much you'd like bet on this, I'm game. Of course, since there are official recorded splits available to everyone on earth with Fisher and Robinson right next to each other at the mile (and others a few seconds back), a live video feed at the mile that I watched and took a picture of (you want me to send it to you?), and soon to be pictures on runmichigan.com, I strongly dvise against this bet.
MISObservertoday wrote:Then Robinson caught back up after they crossed the track and headed for the grass, unseen to many, and then had to have taken off drastically because I was at the 1.5 area and he had a serious lead...I videotaped it.
Sorry, but I seriously doubt that although it is possible. I was at 1.5, with my videocamera and Grant had a serious lead.
WOW. After "seriously doubting" what I said, and being proven 100% wrong, you have the balls to act like I was in the wrong. You must be a blast to hang out with. Here, @ss:
MISObservertoday wrote:
Learn to comprehend, "after" you take a deep breathe. The words read "although it's possible". What part do I need to explain to you?
Grant had to have put on one hell of a move from 1 mile to the 1.5 as his lead was large. You can throw them on letsrun all you want DM or JB, I could care less. Put your email out there and I'll send you mine, I'll watch whatever you want to send.
MISman wrote:However much you'd like bet on this, I'm game. Of course, since there are official recorded splits available to everyone on earth with Fisher and Robinson right next to each other at the mile (and others a few seconds back), a live video feed at the mile that I watched and took a picture of (you want me to send it to you?), and soon to be pictures on runmichigan.com, I strongly dvise against this bet.