I always thought that The Woodlands program was very Paavo-ish. Is that true?
I always thought that The Woodlands program was very Paavo-ish. Is that true?
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I always thought that The Woodlands program was very Paavo-ish. Is that true?
Not from what I have heard. The Coach Greens I heard are more Lydiard-ish. High milage, emphasis on aerobic development. The osenior Green now coaches Team Green running, a semi-pro team sponsored by Adidas in The Woodlands.
Thanks for the info! If that's the case, it seems like they would have a little better post HS record on the boys side. But, I recognize that they have had studs in college, so I am not criticizing. I think the elder Green was a very motivational figure.
Speaking of The Woodlands, are you familiar with Timo Sheard? What's going on there? I hear he's not coaching at that school in N Austin anymore and that he might be in a bit of trouble (like icky don't want to think about trouble).
You MO rons do realize the difference between the kids running in high school and the kids running in college don't you?
Half the a high school team is probably not even running during the offseason. If you want to have some success as a coach, you are going to go with a program that will bring quicker success.
My local high school coach uses Paavo but I don't know if he just uses broad parameters and tweaks it depending on his runners. He had a boys or girls team going to the state most of the last 10 years. This year will be the first with both teams going. We are a small school.
He has had 3 kids in the last few years run college. They all had very good success.
Most people don't have the intelligence to look at the situation as a whole but pick out a very small sample such as the best of the best they hear about. There are always going to be runners who improve more or less than others regardless of what "program" they were on in high school.
I don't even think most kids care about the "program". They just do what the coach tells them. They EXPECT that when they go to college they will be on a different program than they were in high school.
I assume this is about Seven Lakes or Southlake Carroll.
I wouldn't worry about it. This fallacy exists that kids get maxed out isn't true. They're either motivated to train beyond HS or not.
The real reason for lack of development beyond is probably more related to the collegiate coach's perception of athletes transferring to the team...meaning they quickly dismiss a lack of progress as the kid not caring (which is sometimes true if they're partying all the time) or they immediately just go find someone else (this is the majority of college coaches' solutions to the problem.)
I don't do paavo training with my program, but it is really just a series of focused daily pace runs (about 60-75s slower than mile pace or roughly 10k-1/2m pace). Recovery runs are about 90s slower than mile (or close to Daniels' M pace.)
Mostly aerobic. Hard? I don't know. Focused? Definitely.
They chase it with an interval progression of 400s where the rest shrinks as they become more fit and the weather cools. It basically turns from Daniels' reps to Daniels' I training.
This is probably why you see a lot of very solid 3k-5k performances, some decent mile times, and few 800 times. It is mostly aerobic training.
They also motivate their athletes better than most programs.
So it isn't a bad thing. Plenty of runners can do well off of it and then transition into college with a redshirt fall.
If you are talking about SLC then you should not transfer anywhere else. In my opinion running there came second to learning to be successful in life overall. Your son will not only run well but learn a lot about himself and how to grow as a person. The team aspect is something that can almost never be replicated at the college level and I'm on a major program. I've never heard anything bad about kids doing hard, intense training programs not being recruited here. I've learned so much and I continue to improve every year in college. In my opinion the reason some don't improve is because running in college is more than just running, it's basically a full time job with lots of pressure. I will say that I was more than prepared for the college transitions and their workouts. My pain threshold and mental strength is a lot higher than most guys. I hope this helped and remember, if you want to improve post high school you will. There is always some aspects that you haven't perfected and it doesn't include maturity and age.