you have until the end of december to clean up your act
btw, wada has lost it...
you have until the end of december to clean up your act
btw, wada has lost it...
From now on you must refer to yourself as "drug cheat Robert Johnson." We'll call it even.
deer the drug cheat rojo: yes, yourself and Steve Spence are dopers and you need to be depressed that you couldn't break 2:20 while you were dopoing.
The drug cheat Rojo himself should be ashamed for dopoing.
Why were you taking something for water retention?
dumberz wrote:
Why were you taking something for water retention?
#IvyLeagueEducation
I took glycerol just before one of the worst races of my life.
It's not cause you were a doper, it's cause you tried to hide it. What were you masking with that stuff?
Bad Wigins wrote:
It's not cause you were a doper, it's cause you tried to hide it.
This sentence doesn't make sense but...
it was marketed as a product that helped you stay hydrated. This was several years ago and bought the stuff at a running store. I thought "oooh, what could be better than staying hydrated?" and then went one to run on of the worst races of my life.
Drug Cheat Robert Johnson
Has a nice ring to it.
Did the Drug Cheat Robert Johnson get his dope from his great friend the Drug Cheat Paula Radcliffe?
It means it is listed as a masking agent, not as a performance enhancer. So the question is what PED was rojo masking with it.
I'm going to change his byline and link to this thread.
The reason glycerol is banned is because, as the WADA section title indicates, it's a masking agent. It also helps with sludge blood.
When a doper uses EPO, his hematocrit climbs with the increase in RBC's. Consequently, the available space in the blood for water is reduced. It makes it very easy to become dehydrated while on EPO. Taking glycerol could help with that dehydration problem.
It can also be used to push more water into the blood to lower hct before a test.
Srsly wrote:
The reason glycerol is banned is because, as the WADA section title indicates, it's a masking agent. It also helps with sludge blood.
When a doper uses EPO, his hematocrit climbs with the increase in RBC's. Consequently, the available space in the blood for water is reduced. It makes it very easy to become dehydrated while on EPO. Taking glycerol could help with that dehydration problem.
It can also be used to push more water into the blood to lower hct before a test.
Can drinking water be used to push more water into the blood to lower hct before a test?
iuoieur wrote:
Can drinking water be used to push more water into the blood to lower hct before a test?
Maybe. Maybe not. With EPO, it might be enough to simply "drink enough" water, especially if your hct is above 50 or flirting with 55. A saline IV would be the best and quickest way to mask. Just ask Lance.
research shows rojo continues to benefit from the doping: http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/athletics/29510575j/k, this only concerns anabolic steroids:
If you exercise, or take anabolic steroids, you get more nuclei and you get bigger muscles. If you take away the steroids, you lose the muscle mass, but the nuclei remain inside the muscle fibres.
They are like temporarily closed factories, ready to start producing protein again when you start exercising again.
reopen the factories, rojo
Srsly wrote:
iuoieur wrote:Can drinking water be used to push more water into the blood to lower hct before a test?
Maybe. Maybe not. With EPO, it might be enough to simply "drink enough" water, especially if your hct is above 50 or flirting with 55. A saline IV would be the best and quickest way to mask. Just ask Lance.
Is this why Andy Vernon was harping on Lynsey Sharp at the Commonwealth Games for using an IV drip the night before the 800?
Srsly wrote:
iuoieur wrote:Can drinking water be used to push more water into the blood to lower hct before a test?
Maybe. Maybe not. With EPO, it might be enough to simply "drink enough" water, especially if your hct is above 50 or flirting with 55. A saline IV would be the best and quickest way to mask. Just ask Lance.
Just ask the Drug Cheat Paula Radcliffe.
rojo wrote:
So the 2015 list of banned substances from WADA is now out:
https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/wada-2015-prohibited-list-en.pdfI decided to take a look at it. From reading it, it seems to me that glycerol is banned.
WADA wrote:S5. DIURETICS AND MASKING AGENTS
The following diuretics and masking agents are prohibited, as are other substances with a similar chemical structure or similar biological effect(s).
Including, but not limited to:
Desmopressin; probenecid; plasma expanders, e.g. glycerol and intravenous administration of albumin, dextran, hydroxyethyl starch and mannitol.
Acetazolamide; amiloride; bumetanide; canrenone; chlortalidone; etacrynic acid; furosemide; indapamide; metolazone; spironolactone; thiazides, e.g. bendroflumethiazide, chlorothiazide and hydrochlorothiazide; triamterene and vaptans, e.g. tolvaptan.
Is that the same thing I once took for water retention?
If so, it means that myself as well as Steve Spence are apparently dopers.
The New York Times did a feature on glycerin loading in 2006:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/18/health/nutrition/18mara.html?pagewanted=allDave Martin got Spence and most top US marathoners to use it back in the day (i imagine I heard about it from Martin myself)- Spence used it to win bronze in 1991.
The NY Times article refers to it as a legal tactic.
If it's banned now, when did it get banned?
Rojo
PS. This is depressing. When my brother got really good at running, I had a running joke with John Kellogg, "Is there any chance he's a doper?" John replied, "Nope, he's not nearly good enough if he's a doper."
I'm going to really be depressed to learn I couldn't even break 2:20 if I was dopoing.
No Rojo- Concerns that the haemodilution associated with the fluid retention in the vascular space may be sufficient to mask illegal doping practices by athletes led the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) to add glycerol to its list of prohibited substances in 2010. That's the only reason it's been banned. Not because it's an athletic performance enhancement.