JERRY AND BUMBI EMBARRASS THE USA

As an American, I am not personally embarrassed.

I am. He could have given up his spot to someone that was actually fit and not still b!tching about the Salazar DQ. That's all that's been on his mind lately.

tow. wrote:

Schumacher and Bumbalough completely embarrass the USA at the Continental Cup,

http://www.iaaf.org/competitions/iaaf-continental-cup/iaaf-continental-cup-2014-4953/news/report/men/5000-metres/final

I won't say that I'm particularly embarrassed, but WOW that is a BAD result. I haven't followed the continental cup very closely, so does anyone happen to know exactly what happened?

Well, breaking 15 as a master is a big goal for me, so this seems pretty slow for a pro runner.

Obviously this isn't "embarrassing" to anyone with any common sense.

Obviously there had to have been some sort of extenuating circumstances. Dunno what the anger is about when there are scores of other stuff at any given point in time to be outraged over. I would guess at any given time, even in heavy training, throughout the years, Bumbi has been in at least 13:30 or better shape, and when ready, low 13:00. Now, that's not to say that he wouldn't get left in the dust anyway. Not knowing what happened in the race but seeing the splits, looks like it was an erratic race with surges throughout and perhaps some sort of long grind at the end. But if you want to criticize Jerry's boys for not being able to compete in a non-time-trialed, tactical international elite affair, I guess you'll have to wait for results that indicate the athletes showed up and gave it their best but missed, rather than an obvious personal debacle here

No idea what happened but he finished and scored team points the other Americas runner Lopes DNFed and did not get the point for being DFL.

DFLscores a point I can do DFL wrote:

No idea what happened but he finished and scored team points the other Americas runner Lopes DNFed and did not get the point for being DFL.

The BBC announcers keep going on about team points, but do they actually matter for anything?

Anyway, I watched the race and I have no idea what happened to Bumbaloff [as the BBC guys pronounced it] after he got dropped by the lead pack. [fwiw, he was running toward the front during the first part of the race.]

I can say it was just plain sad to see him getting lapped by the leaders and then coming past the finish line a lap down to the also rans [i believe he was lapped by all 6 of the other finishers.] Reminded me of my own dismal days as a VERY slow 9th grader.

He didn't appear injured, and while the conditions weren't ideal, they didn't crush the other six guys who finished the race.

I've never been a Bumbalough fan but I see no need to go bashing him right now since I'm sure he's more disappointed with his result than any of us message board posters could possibly be.

As for Mr Schumacher:

Shalane? check.

Evan? check.

German? Hey, progress today on 5th Ave.

Ryan Hill? still has potential.

Rest of team? Hmmm.

Future on Nike payroll? double Hmmm.

p.s. personal conspiracy theory: Jerry is still working deep under cover for AlSal.

Salazar's African (Mo) is better than Jerry's African (Lomong)

Salazar's Great White Hope (Rupp) is better than Jerry's Great White Hope (Jager)

Salazar's Aged Talent (Ritz) is better than Jerry's Aged Talent (Teg)

Salazar's Token Canadian (Levins) is better than Jerry's Token Canadian (Bairu)

Salazar's Webb (3:36) was better than Jerry's Webb (3:39?)

It goes on and on and on. Jerry can't compete with Salazar in any way and it annoys him to no end.

I knew ever since the infamous "lean" that Dumbalough was a no-talent, low-class, BUM.

I am personally and profoundly embar-assed.

I don't know about Rupp being better than Jager. They're hard to compare, but in their respective events they're fairly similar. Both broke ARs this year (Jager broke his twice), and both ran well in the DL.

Once again I have to decide whether I want to apologize for the fact that I am American or try to hide it. These people have the opportunity to compete for us and they completely throw it.

Now I know how the Brazilians felt during their World Cup exit. This is the part where they actually start rooting for the Germans. This is the part where I start rooting for the Europeans, Africans, and Asians.

Ole Boy There wrote:

Salazar's Great White Hope (Rupp) is better than Jerry's Great White Hope (Jager)

Is he? Maybe historically.

Jager out-did Rupp this season, easily.

Heaps of great DL finishes and a strong AR for Jager vs heaps of mediocre DL finishes and a weak AR for Rupp.

Steeple

WR - 7:53

Jager - 8:04 (+11s)

5,000

WR - 12:37

Rupp 2014 - 13:00 (+23s)

10,000

WR - 26:17

Rupp 2014 - 26:44 (+27s)

Not even close.

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:

Steeple

WR - 7:53

Jager - 8:04 (+11s)

5,000

WR - 12:37

Rupp 2014 - 13:00 (+23s)

10,000

WR - 26:17

Rupp 2014 - 26:44 (+27s)

Not even close.

0/10 you're not even trying anymore

Ole Boy There wrote:

Salazar's African (Mo) is better than Jerry's African (Lomong)

Salazar's Great White Hope (Rupp) is better than Jerry's Great White Hope (Jager)

Salazar's Aged Talent (Ritz) is better than Jerry's Aged Talent (Teg)

Salazar's Token Canadian (Levins) is better than Jerry's Token Canadian (Bairu)

Salazar's Webb (3:36) was better than Jerry's Webb (3:39?)

It goes on and on and on. Jerry can't compete with Salazar in any way and it annoys him to no end.

I'm no Schumacher fan, but I'm not sure I agree about Rupp being better than Jager. Nothing against Rupp, just think they're both they're the best Americans ever at their specialities and don't see a clear way to rank them against each other.

Again, not entirely seriously but not entirely joking - AlSal and Jerry may still be working together. Evidence - 2014 men's indoor 3000m final. If I'm a Lagat fan, the last thing I want is a hard tempo for the first 2000m. And how exactly did that hard tempo benefit Ryan Hill???

p.s. If Jerry isn't still working with AlSal and he decided to turn the indoor 3000m into a strength race, I find it hard to understand what he was thinking. Your guy Ryan Hill has a better chance in an indoor 3000m against the best US 10000m runner ever off a solid early pace rather than a slow early pace???

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:

Ole Boy There wrote:

Salazar's Great White Hope (Rupp) is better than Jerry's Great White Hope (Jager)

Is he? Maybe historically.

Jager out-did Rupp this season, easily.

Heaps of great DL finishes and a strong AR for Jager vs heaps of mediocre DL finishes and a weak AR for Rupp.

Steeple

WR - 7:53

Jager - 8:04 (+11s)

5,000

WR - 12:37

Rupp 2014 - 13:00 (+23s)

10,000

WR - 26:17

Rupp 2014 - 26:44 (+27s)

Not even close.

RCS - what up? You're too smart to go saying the above since it's obvious that Rupp's 10k AR and Jager's Steeple AR are basically in line vs the WRs. [and no, Rupp's 5000m PR isn't at the same level, but it isn't his best event and Jager doesn't have a 2nd event PR that's as good let alone better.]

Dude, seriously - I think you're a bright guy but there's something about Rupp that makes you say silly things. I've said it before, I'll say it again - you have my all time favorite handle on this board, but right now I don't think you're living up to it.

Schumacher has an issue with overtraining his guys, as well as Emily Infeld. Seeing the results of his group, it's completely obvious at this point. I have no clue what was going on with Bumbi today, and props to him running it in for the team points, but he couldn't hang in for a sub 13:40? That should be a joke for him on his absolute worst day. He's injured or overtrained.

And who in their right mind can say a 3:57 net downhill mile at the rear end of the field is a good sign for German? I really hate to say it, but he will not be resurrected under Schumacher. He desperately needs to change things up. He would have been higher up the field in high school!

Derrick is a work horse and can handle the load, while Jager is so talented it probably just isn't as hard for him as the rest of the group. Most of the others wind up being fairly inconsistent. Look at Hill and Bumbi's 5k races this year - the range is crazy. And not because they were in a tactical race.

Same deal with the girls- Shalane is a work horse and Infeld runs herself ragged trying to keep up. Shalane leaves, and Emily can recover and starts running well.

That's fuc,kin terrible, more so than Alan Webb in indoor 2014.

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:

Ole Boy There wrote:

Salazar's Great White Hope (Rupp) is better than Jerry's Great White Hope (Jager)

Is he? Maybe historically.

Jager out-did Rupp this season, easily.

Heaps of great DL finishes and a strong AR for Jager vs heaps of mediocre DL finishes and a weak AR for Rupp.

Steeple

WR - 7:53

Jager - 8:04 (+11s)

5,000

WR - 12:37

Rupp 2014 - 13:00 (+23s)

10,000

WR - 26:17

Rupp 2014 - 26:44 (+27s)

Not even close.

Come on, you can do better than that can't you?

If you're going to bash Rupp and try to support Jager, the LAST thing you want to do is call Rupp's event "weak", since Jager effectively runs in the weakest track event that exists. Of COURSE he can finish decently in it. The depth is terrible, and nobody wants to run in it. It's like comparing the ITU Triathlon Circuit with the Marathon.

Moreover, why are you trying to use absolute time differences from the world record as a measure of adeptness in an event? Since the 3000m Steeplechase WR is less than a third of the actual time for the 10000m WR, the allowable difference should scale appropriately. Even if we're lenient with Jager and simply triple the time by which he is off of the WR, he ends up with +33 seconds, which is quite a bit more than Rupp.

You're a decent troll in many Rupp-Related threads, but this definitely isn't among your better works.